Uvalde police were cowards. Now they blame the gun

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  1. Wild Bill Kelsoe

    Wild Bill Kelsoe Well-Known Member

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    The title of the source says they're cowards and that's very accurate.

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    A new narrative about the Uvalde school shooting is emerging: the police were scared of the AR-15.


    What a bunch of cowards."

    https://hotair.com/david-strom/2023/03/21/uvalde-police-were-cowards-now-they-blame-the-gun-n538460

    Their cowardice has nothing to do with training. Nothing to do with their equipment. It has everything to do with their character.

    As the police are refunded, defiled, made to feel as if any little misstep will land them in prison, fewer people will want to become police officers. That means the standard will have to lowered and the quality of the average officer will decrease. The cops that responded to the Uvalde shooting illustrate that.
     
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    Yea, I'm sure the Uvalde Police Dept was having recruiting problems because they were afraid of a BLM protest.
     
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    They're obviously ****ing cowards.
     
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    I don't really think that's a new narrative... it was the implied narrative all along.
     
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    Uvalde cops afraid.
     
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    All we needed was for the underpaid teachers that the right wing are calling groomers to also have AK’s and this all could have been prevented!

    It’s almost like we shouldn’t have weapons on the street that police — and not one of two officers but entire police departments — are so terrified of that they sit back while children are being murdered.

    Too bad they weren’t in the womb and maybe they would care
     
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    Back the blue, right? Or do you only back the blue until they are becoming inconvenient to the RW pro-2nd amendment nuttery?
     
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    I don't back ****ing cowards. I'm sure these ******* are heroes to you Leftists, now. They just gave the anti-gunners one hell of a selling point: cops are afraid of guns. I hope the anti-gunners use it, a lot...lol
     
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    What we need, is cops who aren't ****ing cowards.
     
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    Most people are concerned for their own mortality
    That’s human nature
     
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    Letting that fear prevent them from taking action is known as cowardice.
     
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    Judging by these posts...
    Is the implication that they are Big Fans of the Houston MLB Team?
    [​IMG]
     
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    Maybe. Its important to consider the priority many departments place on ability and willingness to follow orders and trained procedure. Lawyers and unions place cost above all else, and train officers in a curriculum that prioritizes risk management. This translates into having an overwhelming advantage before engaging a known armed hostile. Its likely the Uvalde dept hired people based on a psychological profile that would promote an unwillingness for officers to charge into an active shooting without prerequisite resources that would minimize risk of officer injury or death. It may have been cowardice, but it may also have just been a procedural fanatacism that the dept prefers over hiring heros who are more likely to incur costly injuries heroically defending the public. The dollar and the budget are far more important than the lives of faceless citizens, at least to the bean counters who run everything now. Bureaucracies arent known for heroism, and if we're expecting to get heroics from the bureaucracy, then the joke is on us, by us.
     
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    Children are also afraid of guns.
     
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    Ah, yes, I am sure keyboard hero WBK would have run inside and wrestled down the shooter with his bare hands. Of course, this happens only in movies, or in the fantasies of the pro-gun crowd, who are just waiting for an opportunity to become the good guy with a gun. Once they would actually be presented with a life-and-death situation like the one in Uvalde, my guess is that it will be a different story, and they may find themselves in the ranks of the "cowards" that they so easily have labeled without knowing them.
     
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    Uvalde police were cowards.

    No kidding. Didn't we all already know this?
     
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    No, not with my bare hands. Nor would the cops have had to do that either, since they were armed and had a distinct tactical advantage in numbers, overwhelming force, training, experience and position. Too bad none of those assets could override their cowardice.
     
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    Are you saying that's a good reason not to attack the gunman that's killing them?
     
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    A good friend of mine happens to own a store that supplies all local police departments with uniforms etc. The subject of Uvalde has come up a lot in his presence, and apparently, police in general pretty much universally deride the Uvalde police as abject cowards. Other police speak of Uvalde police with great scorn and even anger.

    While it is probably true that just like soldiers in combat nobody knows how they will react until the time comes, that does not take away from the fact that the actions of that day were cowardly by virtually anyone's standard.
     
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    The chief told them to stand down. That said, I’d have still gone in. Back in the day you only needed a couple of guys to rush to a problem. now the ERT team comes out with negotiators and cocoa to smooth criminals.

    **** that. I’m still not surprised some idiot would blame the gun, but if you’ve been shot at with more than one kind of weapon they all tend to fall into the same category.
     
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    you don’t know many kids in the US.
     
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    Can you tell us when you were shot at by different weapons and how each one made you feel?
    Come on, I’ll wait. I mean you don’t want to seem as if you have no idea what you’re talking about, right?


    Civilians have every right to the same weapons the police have.
     
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    Estimates are that 75% plus of soldiers never shoot at the enemy when in combat. Pareto's rule probably applies here very well. 80% of the enemy casualties are inflicted by 20% of the soldiers.

    Now, my guess is that this ratio would hold pretty well for police officers, too, and also civilians, including the brave keyboard warriors on this forum who are so quick to label others cowards.
     
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    We need an armed public carrying concealed handguns. Uvaldi proved that armed police cannot keep the peace.

    Even well trained elite police forces fail miserably.

    “Perhaps most notably, the Mass Casualty Commission did not admit evidence from the FitBit of victim Heather O’Brien indicating that she may have been showing a pulse for more than eight hours after police left her for dead.
    Accusations that the Mass Casualty Commission is overlooking critical details are particularly notable given the sheer number of RCMP failures that have characterized the tragedy.
    It was an RCMP bullet that ended the massacre and one of its 22 victims was an RCMP member, Const. Heidi Stevenson, who died while bravely trying to engage the shooter. But hearings by the Mass Casualty Commission have exposed a cascade of technological and organizational failures from law enforcement that were instrumental in allowing the killings to extend into a second day.
    The gunman began his massacre by murdering 13 people in the rural neighbourhood of Portapique, N.S., where he lived.
    While police initially assumed the perpetrator had taken his own life after these first killings, he reappeared in a different part of the province the next morning and murdered another nine people before being shot to death by police at a Nova Scotia gas station.
    This week, retired RCMP Staff Sgt. Steve Halliday told the Commission that police were two hours late in warning the public that the gunman was driving a replica police cruiser — information that could have been critical in saving the lives of his final victims, who knew that a mass killer was at large, but not what he was driving.
    The Commission also heard this week from witnesses and analysts saying the response was hindered by spotty radio reception, the lack of a police helicopter and officers’ inability to access a digital map program that could have better tracked the gunman’s movements.”
    NATIONAL POST, FIRST READING: Why inquiry into Canada’s worst mass shooting keeps hemorrhaging public confidence, By Tristin Hopper, 5/26/2022.
    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/cana...eps-hemorrhaging-public-confidence/ar-AAXKU9j
     
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    But, actual under-fire desertion and dereliction of duty rates are in the single digits.

    The rate of desertion under-fire and dereliction of duty in the Uvalde PD is 100%.
     
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