Colorado teachers union passes resolution declaring capitalism 'inherently exploits children, public

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  1. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    Nope isn't happening...
     
  2. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Very true. I was lucky to grow up poor and know I would never get any of toys of breakfast serial advertised on TV.
     
  3. Captain Obvious

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    Yes it is. Capitalism in its true form is the only economic system where free men can trade as they wish.
    Your regulations have perverted it in to a system of government backed cronyism. Pure and simple.
     
  4. Cybred

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    Still not, sorry.
     
  5. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Teachers have largely spent their entire lives engaged in a socialized form of education. They are generally completely ignorant of the private sector and how it works.

    Most teachers are largely out of touch with reality.

    Another unionized tax payer funded system never responsible for actually raising the revenue necessary to operate or being responsible for outcomes. They think the tax payer money grows on trees and ask any teacher about performance based pay and watch them come unhinged.
     
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    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Regulations established and enforced by government... who is who these employees work for.

    What a victim mentality. I have worked for the government and private companies of all different sizes in various industries.

    SImple statistics proves you wrong. Another attempt by the liberal left to protect themselves from a boogeyman that largely doesn't exist.

    The government actually pays LESS than comparable private sector jobs and doesn't have any profit motive.

    What does that have to do with teachers?

    "Fair" is a very subjective word. American's deserve a free system. Which they largely have.

    You have been fed and swallowed so much propaganda.

    Every stat says your drive is emotional and not remotely based on reality.
     
  7. Endeavor

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    I am glad you worked hard when you were young. So did I .

    But that doesn’t mean today’s generation and liberals don’t work.

    70% of US GDP comes from BLUE Districts. That teals you who works and who doesn’t.


    Biden-voting counties equal 70% of America’s economy. What does this mean for the nation’s political-economic divide? (brookings.edu)
     
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    You obviously don’t understand it. Like most misanthropists on the left, if it’s not a system that allows you to rob and loot freely, you don’t want any part of it.
     
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    It means the left has been successful in outsourcing American jobs from all over the country. Mainly manufacturing and energy sector jobs. Nothing to be proud of.
     
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    Oh, you mean like Minnesota?
     
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    Oh , you think liberals outsourcing job overseas and sitting on their a$$ watching TV, create 70% GDP? If that is the understanding of conservative how to grow GDP , no wonder conservative district only produce 30% of US GDP.
     
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    How?
     
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    Which has nothing to do with the value of the dollar. But what you described is your loose based critique on taxation polities, which is not wealth.
     
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    Nice changing of the goalposts here. You claimed, "Government control of every aspect of your life and most all of your earnings and property."

    Government control is not about how much or how little the government takes your money through taxation, it is what they regulate on what you can and cannot do with your property. Thank god we have regulations where companies are not allowed to dump toxic waste into rivers, uncontrolled fishing where we can quite literally exterminate the fish out of existance, hunt with the type of regulations limiting the number of bucks to be killed otherwise that too will be exterminated, and so forth. Oliver Wendell Holmes, one of the greatest jurist to sit on the Supreme Court said taxation is the price we pay for a civilized society. This issue is not how much, but what we spend it for and why. You want nice roads, well, you need to pay a tax, generally a gas tax. And since it costs more to build and maintain the roads. So, those taxes go up because costs go up.

    Finally, the last I checked, all taxes, local, state, and federal, it is about 40 cents to the dollar. Thus it is not most of your money. I think what you are adding are all the private enterprise fees that are charged such as the fee to pay your utility bill or any other bill electronically to the government in that category. But that is not government, that is private enterprise making a buck off the government. In other words, capitalism.
     
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    the people who are complaining the most are the conservatives who want capitalism at any cost. Ironic isn't it.
     
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    So we should accept our current practice of Capitalism that has produced slower growth, more inequality, and less competitive markets because the principles and tools utilized that produced better results were Socialist? Is that really what I’m reading?
     
  17. JohnHamilton

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    You didn’t win the argument. We are so far apart, there is nothing to discuss. In your world, the government tax rate should be 100%, and the government should give back the money that is equal to a person’s needs as the government defines it.
     
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    It's our legislatures that keep the problematic aspects of capitalism in check.

    We find capitalism really good in a lot of circumstances - better than other systems.

    However, the idea that those benefits justify an end to regulation is just plain ridiculous.

    Every regulation is there because of problems that warranted a resolution.
     
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    What this Colorado teacher's union is rejecting isn't really capitalism, what they are rejecting, in essence, is individual response in favor of centeralized control.

    You see, capitalism and a free-market are direct democracy. In a free market prices are determined when supply meets demand and both parties in a transaction agree. But these teachers can't have people making descisions for themselves, especially not at a collective level.
     
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    Ah nope, sorry.
     
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    There are plenty of problems that need to be solved, but that capitalism has NO interest in solving.

    Capitalism doesn't give a crap about pollution, transportation, healthcare distribution to all citizens who need it, education, murder rate, white nationalism, democracy, ...

    The list goes on and on and on.

    For those things it DOES work for, situations where there is a profit motive, it does well, but it still sees humans as "resources", is totally willing to treat them as such, doesn't care about externalities, doesn't care about worker safety or whether they can buy food, works to achieve monopoly and stifle competition, buys legislators, etc., etc.
     
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    Sure capitalism sees people as resources, what's wrong with that? People have value, quite unlike the beliefs of communism where people are either compost or cannon fodder.
     
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    This has NEVER been proposed.

    You should argue based on reality.

    It might be harder to defend your ideas, but at least you can go to sleep knowing you told the truth.
     
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    Well, you are gradually drifting closer!!

    We do need capitalism to treat humans VERY differently than steel, coal, and other resources. Or, we're headed toward that evil you so lamely attempt to describe.

    So, we have OHSA (etc.) in order to wrestle capitalism in line with those differences - differences capitalism has proven to care little about.

    Also, we have created other laws against other aspects of capitalism, which would prefer to treat humans as cord wood.
     

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