5 people injured, 1 killed in shooting

You can reduce crime (overall) by sensible governing and you can reduce murder (in particular) by removing the gun.

 

The past can determine the future.

 

You certainly do have armed gangs https://www.unodc.org/e4j/zh/firearms/module-7/key-issues/criminal-gangs.html

yeah, you guys can’t solve your own problems and call a proper man or woman with a gun when hsit hits the fan.
We will never be like that. It’s sad, it’s pathetic, and we can help you guys grow into a real country with rights. Adopt the 2A and stop being a nanny state.

 

You can’t remove even a small % of the guns in the US. You can’t reduce crime by governing because criminals don’t get a **** about the law. That’s very clear already.

 

Are you a robot?

So, you think the law is the only thing "governing" is about?

What's clear is that you are not on the topic at all.

 

yes.
It’s a lot of what the law is about is due to governing or not bothering to do so.
Great, go have a beer then.

 

To explain it to you would be difficult because your understanding is very shallow. People don't commit crimes because they have a gun. They commit crimes often for good reasons and they get hold of a gun to assist in their criminal activity.

 

thanks I missed that important set of details when I was arresting violent criminals years ago. There aren’t any good reasons to use a gun to commit crime, but I’m a novice when it comes to why people commit crime.

 

EXACTLY as I said, your understanding is shallow and you are not listening. I said, "They commit crimes often for good reasons" I didn't say that there are good reasons to use a gun to commit crime. It may be true but that's not what I said.

If you have no idea why people commit crimes then you are no novice .... even that's too advanced for you.

 

There are a bunch of us Americans right there with you. It’s a totally different world in those places compared to where many of us live. We are just glad it’s mostly contained in those nutty cities.

 

it’s clearly too advanced for me. But maybe you can shed some light on what “they commit crimes often for good reasons” means? Feel free to slow it down for me.

 

"Survival". Sticking to the main subject, if criminal activity is 'necessary' then crime it is. But adding a gun to the equation means that murder is now often connected to theft, for example.

 

so tell us HOW YOU REMOVE THE GUN

how about removing the CRIMINAL>

 

so the problem is the people committing the crime.

 

Yes, we can call a 'proper man', in our little town he's known as Constable Cooper and he carries a gun. He's a big man too.
As for the rest of us, we don't carry hand guns. But we are rural and plenty/all farmers here have rifles and shotguns.
My aunty over the back fence actually discharged a 410 at a fox one night - in the town. Talk about a fright.

 

here we are proper men if we choose so, probably because it takes the cops 30 min or so to arrive at a deadly situation that wasn’t about to wait. Since bad guys don’t wait for the cops while they’re doing evil things we have to solve our own problems.

since this is so very different from the circumstances in your country how is it so few Australians understand the problem? This is precisely why we want the police to target actual criminals and not 99.99% of the rest of us. We don’t have much of a fox problem, but she probably got the job done.

 

I think I get it now. So the criminals chooses to say, be a thief cuz he’s a useless bag of ****, and because he’s world class excrement he upgrades the stupidity and uses a weapon in the commission of the crime he chose.

sounds like a string of bad choices by a whale **** that should have been aborted preying on civilians. These people clearly need to be locked up for 100% of their sentences when they commit crime and not allowed to come back and repeat their performances.

 

How can anyone take seriously, arguments that suggest if we could just remove guns from criminals. Those who don't study history are doomed to be schooled by those of us who do: prohibition and the war on drugs should have edified even the most educationally challenged individuals that prohibitions don't prevent criminals from getting something and in many cases, creates a black market demand that increases violence in society and the wealth of gangs

 

Maybe you're just pretending not to.

... cuz .... didn't you read what I wrote? The point about the use of guns turning a minor crime into one of homicide must be several light years beyond your reach because you didn't even understand the basics, the basics that bring us to the subject of guns and murder.

 

I’m so sorry. Since the criminal chose to add guns to the mix, everything they do is their responsibility. If they choose to murder, with or with it guns, it’s a choice they made.

maybe you should have a long chat with those criminals about their poor choices instead of what you’re currently doing.

 

Do you not understand what we are speaking about here? Do you understand English?

 

No, I don’t speak English. Kind of you to check, of course.

 

Only crime here is that someone stole two of our cats one evening, and I suspect someone is siphoning fuel out of my old bus. But the fuel thing might be a mistake so I am taking the time to measure it - before I put a lock on the cap. Only crime in the town I know of over seven years was a breakin at a store and someone stealing a car in another state, setting it on fire and rolling it into a school library (I am in the fire brigade)
I think that if everyone in the town carried a handgun it might be a bit worse. There would have been at least one gun crime for our population in that time if we had American statistics.

 

in many town where those crimes and ours are similar, you don’t hear of any gun issues. There are thousands of small towns where everyone is armed and it’s just a quiet little place where people look out for each other. It isn’t until criminals show that people get riled up.

 

I prefer to be a proper man rather than have to call one and await his ability to cross the intervening space between us.
When you need a proper man, you need one now, not in 15 minutes.