The Republican Presidential Candidate Democrats Should Fear

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  1. dairyair

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    He's black, he has a snowball's chance in hell getting a GOP nomination.
    He loses 1/2 the RW votes for the skin color alone.
     
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    And yet he's been elected repeatedly with Republican majorities in a very conservative state.
     
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    In a State. Very conservative one at that.
    Not a National election.

    Country wide, he is now the 4th black GOP member?
     
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    So what? His message recalls Ronald Reagan; I like that.
     
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    The what is, Nationally is not at a Single State Level.
    Nationally, the GOP doesn't elect blacks.

    About 300 GOP congresscritters. And the GOP has about 4 blacks.
    Far below the population average of 12%
     
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    Every Presidential election is 50 state elections. I think he has a real chance.
     
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    As did Herman Cain.
    Any other black GOP candidate try?

    Iowa had a racist congressman for decades. Steve King.
    They are 1st up on the primary schedule.
     
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    We shall see.
     
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    Tim Scott files paperwork to run for president
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    22 hours ago — In his underdog campaign, Scott is seeking to form a coalition of traditional conservatives, evangelical Christians and moderate ...
     
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    If he loses, yes, he’ll whine about unfair rigged elections again, but America will finally lose interest. If he wins, however, I’m concerned he will convince the spineless GOP and his cult followers to amend the constitution to allow him to run for a third term. If that doesn’t work, he will push to get one of his kids elected. The very idea of this future is nauseating.
     
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    Scott would make a far better candidate and president than anyone else the Republicans have in the mix (including DeSantis who is still too insecure to declare that he’s running). Unfortunately, the GOP does not care about success for this country or even success for their party. The bases for their decisions are only fear and anger.
     
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    I can't see either of those things happening. The Democrats have too much power to change the constitution and thoughtful Republicans will be against the idea. If anything, as a Republican, I want MORE term limits for members of Congress, not less.

    As for running his kids, they will have to earn that on their own. If they are good or convincing enough, it could happen. Who would have thought that the Bush family would have a father and son president? The string ran out with Jeb Bush.

    Historically, there was John and John Quincy Adams. John Quincy got there on a fluke. He was elected by the House after Andrew Jackson finished first in the 1824 election. Few people know it, but William Henry Harrison was Benjamin Harrison's grandfather.
     
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    It’s encouraging to know there are still reasonable Republicans, particularly those who want to see Trump out of the political picture. Unfortunately, I don’t think there are enough of you, and the Trump cultists are louder and more committed.
     
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    Great. When is he going to start with that angle? So fear he had only been whining about the other party.
     
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    No, Scott's not. He's basically a MAGA Republican, w/ a darker skin tone, than most. Let us review his voting record, for the 117th Congress (2021 to present).

    He voted
    nay on the bipartisan Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act, which passed 69-30.

    Nay on the American Rescue Plan (passed 50-49).

    Nay on the Inflation Reduction Act (passed 51-50).

    Nay on the bipartisan Chips and Science Act, which passed 64- 33).

    Nay on the Women's Health Protection Act of 2021 (failed, 46- 48 ).

    Nay on the Consolidated Appropriations Act, which funded federal agencies for the remainder of the year, among other things-- so, no on keeping the government open. Passed, 68-31.

    Nay on the Respect for Marriage Act; passed 61- 36.

    Nay, once more, on funding the government in 2023, on the Continuing Appropriations and Ukraine Supplemental Appropriations, which passed 75- 25.

    Nay on the Postal Service Reform Act of 2022, which was even more overwhelmingly supported,
    79- 19.

    Nay on the
    Bipartisan Safer Communities Act, the extremely modest Crime reform bill, which passed 65- 33.

    Nay on the Extending Government Funding and Delivering Emergency Assistance Act (below), which passed
    65- 35. Here, Sen. Scott was voting to shut down the government.


    The only "Yea" vote that Scott cast, for anything of consequence, was for the Covid-19 Hate Crimes Act, which passed 94- 1.



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    Scott also voted "Nay" on the Domestic Terrorism Prevention Act, of 2022, passed by the House but failed in the Senate on a cloture vote, 47- 47. IOW, was killed by filibuster. Read below, that
    what Scott was voting against, was expanding the availability & reporting of information about domestic terrorism, & to better enable the Dept of Homeland Security, the FBI, and the DOJ, to prosecute domestic terrorism.


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    Finally, Scott voted
    against the 2022 Budget (passed 50- 49), the John Lewis Freedom To Vote Act (failed 49- 51), and the Electoral Count Reform & Presidential Transition Improvement Act of 2022, which passed with bipartisan approval, 68- 29. This was to prevent a Constitutional crisis, as we nearly had, in the last election. It specified that the Vice President's role, in the counting of electoral votes was merely ministerial; raised the threshold for objections to the count, to one-fifth of the present members of the House & of the Senate; and identified the state governor as the lone official responsible for certifying that state's electors. I would be curious to know what is objectionable about any of that, and I'm sure I am not the only one.

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    So, basically, Scott says "no" to almost everything, including to better tools to fight domestic terrorism; no, to removing problematic obscurities, it the counting of electoral votes (& so in our transfer of power); no, to giving additional resources to police, for public safety. He voted against our national postal service, against women's access to abortion, against marriage equality, even against investing in our infrastructure & providing good paying jobs, or insuring that we produce vital tech supplies, here in America, for our own security.

    Note that he is on the far Right side,
    against compromise, on votes in which he is one of the objectors, in groups of 19, 25, 29, and 30. IOW, he seems more about OBSTRUCTION, than solving problems.

    While this does not match my own idea of the meaning of a "genuine conservative," his record certainly may fit your own idea, of what that describes. If you are right, though, all that would mean, would be that America is no longer interested in genuine conservatives, for our national leader. With this record, in the very unlikely scenario of his being the GOP's Presidential candidate, Scott would get demolished.


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    The Trump cultists will be very lucky if they win the 2024 election. Changing the constitution is far harder. They can be loud, but they will never get the votes.

    Besides some of them agree with me that term limits are becoming desirable for House and Senate members. The time has come to put an end to situations where old, sick people, like Diane Feinstein and Robert Byrd hang on until they die or are near death despite the fact they are mentally incompetent. The is a group within the Republican Party, my self included, who would like to send Mitch McConnell out to pasture.

    It seems that some baby boomers are extremely reluctant to retire, even when the time as come. Before you accuse me of ageism, I am of the baby boomer generation.
     
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    For you it will start when you look beyond the attack content from your partisan left wing media.
     
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    So you label many of us "neo cons" but there are those of us who love Trumps policies of the past, but are tired of him attacking other Americans and his constant combativeness. Besides, he can get four years and then he is done. No.....we don't hate Conservatives but Trump cannot win the nation by himself. There is an America 1st future and it may be beyond Trump. If you nominate Trump and he loses, we are done as a Nation. If Trump loses the nomination, I would agree he would most likely pull out his toys and sit in a corner and pout! That would not be good for America. I would prefer a candidate that could lead beyond four years.
     
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    That is false.
     
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    “In short, we do not get good laws to restrain bad people. We get good people to restrain bad laws.”
    ― G.K. Chesterton
     
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    While I, also, admire the wisdom of Chesterton's witticisms, that does not mean they always apply, in every circumstance. IOW, that quote hardly rates, as a rebuttal of all I had laid out. Let me put it more plainly, then: in the view of the majority of the electorate, there are things that need be accomplished, by our government. Therefore, if your idea of the best government, is one that does nothing, I can see why you would like Scott; but you would be very much mistaken, believing that your feelings represent the average voter-- if that is how you'd come to your conclusion, that Democrats should fear Scott's voter appeal.

    Most Americans are sick of gridlock: they would prefer see cooperative bipartisan compromise, on a host of issues, from immigration reform to gun regulation, and well beyond these. Since "conservative" bona fides have apparently changed from being for less government, to being for government to have a heavy hand in cultural & religious issues (including in abortion rights), not to mention conservatives now being required to take even more of a hardline stance on guns, the country does not want that kind of conservative, as our leader (and his being black, does not change that).
     
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    In most cases most new laws are poor ideas.
    I think there's an obvious need for immigration reform, but both parties would rather have the issue than a solution, so they are cooperating, after a fashion.
    The SCOTUS abortion decision was a return of power to the states and the people.
    Any serious move on gun control must start with a rewrite of the 2A. Until someone proposes that, it's just virtue signaling.
     
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    Rise of the Black Republican
    Josh Kraushaar, Axios

    . . . . The bottom line: Black voters have long been more socially conservative than other Democratic voters, but most have maintained their Democratic affiliation.

    • But as our politics polarizes along cultural lines, we're seeing culturally conservative Black voters more comfortable associating with the Republican Party.
    • Scott is a textbook example of that dynamic — he gravitated toward the party that reflected his values as he entered political life. If his campaign catches on, he'd be uniquely capable of diversifying the Republican coalition.
     
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    Byrd is long gone. How about Grassley! Bernie Sanders is not exactly just out of college.
     
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    IMHO, Mitch McConnell is the one indisputably great figure in Washington today.
     

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