Any good books on Trump’s appeal to his supporters?

The greater evil far and away is a runaway administrative state hell bent on punishing any who won't toe the line in it's mad rush to an over weaning grasp for power. Blue is more than willing to give it even more power. There is at least a fight within the red team over that. If you think that makes red the bad guys you're nuts.

 

Yeah the party of ever less freedom and ever more human tragedy is called Democratic. And everything about them including the name is a lie.

 

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The notion that DJ Trump who tried to dismantle the runaway administrative and shorten its reach is a would be dictator is one of the more laughable assertions of the left. Yes he scares the crap out of the would be petit dictators in the administrative most of whom would do away with elections tomorrow if they thought they could get away with it. That doesn't make him a would be dictator.

 

If you think I’ve stated only the Repubs are the bad guys then you are nuts. Carry on with your confusion.

 

Hi, garyd.

Thank you for quoting my post and sharing your opinion. Its relevance to books is, I think, minimal.

Regards, stay safe 'n well.

 

Yet your attacks on Democrats what few you make sound more like damning with faint praise more than condemnation. The dumbest place to be in the war between good and evil is in the middle.

As some one else already said if you are looking for perfection you're in the wrong plane of existence. That being said there are certain things that ought to be obvious. One is placing enmity between children and parents, another is allowing people with a four year degree in teaching abcs and 123s to diagnose mental conditions in five year olds.

 

A huge part of Trump's appeal is that he is a hand grenade to insider establishment politics. That's what the Democrats failed to understand while screwing over Bernie, putting up insider self-entitled Hillary and thereby losing to Trump.

 

Everything I've learned, sir I've learned from books and observation. And there are a good many absolutely awful books. Among the worst was a business primer back in the 80's called winning through intimidation.

 

Your confirmation bias is showing

That wasn’t said to me, nor have I ever claimed I was looking for perfection. Your confusion continues. Good luck with that.

 

Your confirmation bias is showing and I didn't claim that they did.

 

So you’re just going to repeat what I said even when it doesn’t apply? You really should take something for that confusion. You’ve wasted enough of my time…carry on.

 

Trump appeals to his cult of voters because he says things that they want to hear in a blunt, take no prisoners way. Many people feel that their government, the news media and many institutions have disenfranchised them. Trump expresses that frustration without equivocation.

He’ll point out the news media, in the back of the room, which is 95% tilted toward the Democrats and tell them what they are in no uncertain terms. His school yard language, which turns off a majority of voters, is exactly what his supporters want to hear.

From the historical perspective, Trump’s closest, recent pollical soulmate is George Wallace. If you go beyond that, it would be Huey Long. Both of them spoke in bombastic terms had a very loyal following.

Here is a George Wallace button, from either 1968 or 1972, that illustrates my point. Wallace opposed busing to achieve racial equality in the school systems.



Wallace's opposition was similar to those who oppose Trump today. "Rosemary's Baby" was a film about a woman who was raped by the devil and bears his child.

 

Let me see if I can explain the MAGA crowed.

Most White Americans and some minorities yearn for the old days -

A time when majority Americans worked in a factory, worked hard, and earned a decent living. They lived in a middle class neighborhood, had their first home and first car , didn’t have mounting debt. The college was affordable and if kids didn’t want to go to college that was ok too, you didn’t need university education to work in Ford or GM. Yet you made a good living.

They went to church every Sunday and had BBQ after the service. Their kids had school prayer, and football and baseball game , not many kids were into drugs and all that. Gay folks didn’t make out in the park in front of “decent folks”.

America was at her best. The rest of the world was poor and just got out of World WAR. The rest of the world needed “Made in America” to rebuild their own country back.

Oh , what an American life that was. It was between 1945-1965 era.

But

But

Here are the things they completely forgot or isolated those stories in some place where they can’t access.


While “White folks” having BBQ and hard working man making decent money and going to church every Sunday ..

Other side of the town citizen of this Great America hanged just because of their “ skin color”. Citizen of this great America can’t sit in a restaurant and eat just because of their skin color… and I can go on and on but you got the picture.


And then the world changed ..

The world doesn’t need “Made in America” anymore. Rest of the world may not be as mighty and wealthy as America, but they are not beggar sitting and waiting American handout, as a matter of fact many of them today see equal to American power. This also created a seismic shift the way American middle class was built. You can’t work in factory and make decent money to feed your family. Those factory jobs are in India or China or Bangladesh.


Then came trump and somehow convinced these white folks that they can time travel and go back to 1950's Great America and they believe him. They have no choice but to believe him, because their " way of life" no longer exist and they have no interest joining rest of us in 21st century.

 

I think Trump supporters support him because they want to see the current system burned to the ground, regardless of whom it hurts.

They feel left behind ( usually they have been ) and see a system that supports only the rich and the poor. Bail outs for corportions. Welfare and medical care for the poor they cant get themselves. The middle gets killed.

So they say F it. Burn it and chaos rules.

This is why they support Trump no matter what. He brings chaos and disruption and hatred to a system they feel has failed them.

They will support him no matter what. Hes a rapist. They dont care. He has stolen money. They dont care. He has lied repeatedly over and over and over. They dont care.

When he said he could shoot someone in the middle of 5th Ave. and not loose any supporters. He was telling the truth.

In fact if he were shooting democrats, it would likey GAIN him supporters.



They support him as an agent of chaos and destruction, and nothing will ever subdue that support as long as they think they have no better alternative.

 

I don't know about books, but many people are wondering "Who will DoJ go after they slay Trump?" You have to know they will not stop.

 

Yes, if Trump somehow fails to win the Republican nomination, the Democrats will start persecuting the person who gets the nod. Yes, I used the word “persecuting” not “prosecuting” because is what the Democrats have made it.

Abuse of the legal system has become a central strategy for the Democrats. If there is still a Problems of Democracy course in high school, that issue would be part of the curriculum, if the class would be at all objective.

 

Other then Trump did DOJ go after any other Republican?

 

It seems Smith got a secret warrant and forced Twitter to turn over the Trump account metadata. They can use this to mouse trap pages and low level staffers who cannot afford an FBI encounter, and will sign what they are told to sign. "Yes, the moon is made of green cheese."

 

Jones is closer to a socialist or communist than a right wing cultist. Cults know no ideological or theological boundary. Although the topic of cults is of interest to me and a common topic in the books on psychology I read. Interesting thing about cults is that cultist tend not to see themselves as being in a cult. Leaves me to wonder how many on the left and right have a cultish loyalty to their leaders, political parties and ideologies? I guarantee you it is much more than zero.

 

Your first paragraph speaks to the ends I seek, to better understand my fellow Americans on the right. I don’t see them as my enemy, I see them as my neighbors, community members and fellow Americans. I do this because after January 6th I felt my heart turning towards hate of them… because I use to be one of them. I felt that the complete unwillingness to hold Trump accountable for anything was a betrayal of the Christian conservative values I have been taught since the 1960’s. As I don’t want to live a life of hate I instead seek to understand and learn from them.

 

Well said.

 

Interesting perspective in line with what I have also read. Thanks for sharing it.

 

Trump's hard core supporters are people who think historical trends are moving against them. They hope that Trump can somehow reverse these trends.

Christian conservatives fear a society that is becoming increasingly secular and hedonistic.

White blue collar workers fear losing their jobs to non whites at home and abroad, and to computers and industrial robots.

Small businessmen fear socialism, when they should fear being driven out of business by large companies.

The fact that these people have chosen such an unlikely champion demonstrates how desperate they are.

 

Whoever wields the most power will use it to their benefit at the detriment of the opposition. Both sides weaponize and game the system to their advantage. I see no innocence on either side.

I think there is zero chance Trump serves jail time. He will get a fine and then tap into the outrage of his supporters to pay down the fine with charitable contributions. In the end Trump will emerge stronger, mark my words. He and many others on the right and left are above the law even though the lie to us when they say no one is above the law.

 

The last line really resonates with me. I was born into a Christian conservative family and never did I think Christian conservatives would fall for an amoral conman like Trump, especially after decades of standing against the Clinton’s.