The war continues in Israel and Biden says nothing

Well good for you! You don't agree with Hamas methods but you believe Israel has done things worthy of those methods. That just makes me sick!
Tell you what.....those not so innocent civilians in Gaza allows Hamas to infiltrate them and hide their murderous weapons among them. Adult human beings are responsible to resist....but they don't. I begin to wonder why Israel doesn't give them more freedom that you complain about. I think I know. You show me instances of Israel decapitating babies, raping innocent mothers and grandmas, murdering family members in front of family and filming these atrocities to strike fear into others. I would like to see every pro Palestinian in America go to Gaza now. I want t see Israel deliver them all a swift death not by torture, just a swift death. It is the only solution. The evil is so rampant and I wonder how many Hamas have come across our open border under this administration? We are not immune from their terror! When they are found they need to be executed immediately along with every American that cheers them on! I could be censored here for sharing my ideas, but these atrocities are equal to the holocaust. Don't think anyone would condemn me for wishing Hitler and his henchmen a swift death!

 

And this latest episode isn't going to be devastating for Gaza?

But yeah, holding out for a better deal worked out perfectly...lol

 

The Palestinians played a role in the Holocaust.

 

No.

I don't believe ANY of these acts by either side is "worthy" by any measure.

It's just a fact that humans subjected to 20 or more years of constant war and have been under constant siege WILL fight back with what means they have - even if it means certain death.

Remember that Israel is now slaughtering civilians, too. That's not the same as wanting to execute Hitler and his henchmen.

 

All your excuses will never justify what the Palestinians have done over the past decades.

 

You would never put your foot down against obvious evil. You would appease these nations and their propaganda to destroy Israel by any means. I will stand by the tiny country of Israel and desire to see their enemies destroyed utterly! I feel the same way about those in this country that cheer them on!
They all deserve what is coming!!

 

I would just like to say what I saw tonight on the news. Black lives Matters has posted pro Palestinian propaganda (flags etc.) while at the same time they have LBGT flags in the back ground. I think there is a strong parallel here with the feelings of a lot of "progressives" Doesn't matter the cause....just so you hate America at it's very foundation!

What do you all think the sentiment would be in Gaza if these Drag Queen Americans, LBGTQP+, and their Gay Pride cohorts minced around Gaza promoting their cause? As I said, there is no logical clarity in what these leftists support, just as long as it brings down both America and Israel!

 

Little land was privately owned, what was privately owned was about an even split, and it's moot because it was a British protectorate. They lived under British rule...but refused to live under Jewish rule. Some people may have gotten the short end of the stick, but they had options. Israel is one TINY piece of land and there were plenty of other options for those considering themselves "displaced". Many opted for those. The Arab world tried to destroy Israel several times, NOT because of the Palestinians but because of religious hatred. They lost, and most countries have moved on from it and made peace with Israel's existence. Those who have not......you can't live in peace nor negotiate in any type of good faith with people whose stated goal is to wipe you out of existence. That has been proven. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it, and the Jewish people have a LONG history, but a short one as an independent nation, but even that is FILLED with examples of the futileness of negotiations and the despicable nature of terrorism. Don't like the "open air prison"? Israel will go in, wipe out the current crop of militants, and if they had any sense at all, relocate the rest of the people to the West Bank and negotiate terms with the leaders there for land, peace, and independence. Pull out of their forward settlements in the West Bank and relocate those people to Gaza. That way the Israelis have a safer left flank. And let it be known that if there are any further attacks after that, all bets are off.

 

I'm in favor of assuring Israel's existence, too.

But, my question is what did Israel expect from their 20 years of siege of Gaza?

It's a humanitarian atrocity. No humans would accept that without fighting back in whatever way they can.

 

Palestinians were merely Arab nomads until it was decided they could be a thorn in the side of Israel. Arab nations could easily accommodate them but they won't. What nation fights anyway by cutting the heads off of babies? Yes I think we will now end the siege of Gaza. Israel will take it and cleanse it! Americans have never fought back against an oppressor by doing the things Hamas did recently. Did you go to Harvard? A lot of them there have learned to hate America. In Gaza, they have shown propaganda to children for years on how to kill Jews.

 

Yes, you can resort to western colonial law that allows foreign ownership to decide the lives and property of the indigenous people.

In America, our colonialism had the same problem. We had serious trade restrictions, taxes, and a total lack of representation - nowhere NEAR what Palestinians have faced, of course.

So, we started shooting the Brits from the bushes.

Now, you suggest genocide. And, I'd bet you're proud of yourself.

 

Yeah you probably have some revision of history where American Christians beheaded British babies ad raped their women. Public Education and Universities did that to your brain!

 

I can't help but think maybe Chuck Schumer is calling the shots behind the scene....

 

How the indigenous people used the land is NOT an excuse for stealing it from them.

And, there is NO morality in suggesting that it would be better just to herd the population to some other country.

Just curious: Are you a Christian? Or is their another source for your morality??

 

Nowhere did I suggest genocide. And your suggestion that I did or that I'm "proud of myself" only demonstrates that you can't counter my arguments in a meaningful and honest way. I suggested relocation and a negotiated homeland AFTER wiping out the militants in control. Obviously you are a Palestinian sympathizer. This has nothing to do with "western colonial law", and everything to do with world history and reality. Jews ARE indigenous people. So are some Arabs who call themselves Palestinians, and they had the rest of the Arab world to choose from if they were looking to not live under Jewish rule. Instead, they chose what they chose and are reaping the consequences, which should have come a long time ago. They have proven that trying to accommodate them only brings more pain to Israel.

Your whataboutism comparison to the American revolution carries no weight with me. Shooting the British soldiers from the bushes is a FAR cry from the animalistic attacks on civilians we have seen time and again from these savages. Not to mention that if the patriots had lost, they would not have received the accommodation from the British that the Israelis have attempted to give to the Palestinians. You never have answered my question as to what, exactly, you think Israel should have done after the treacherous history of the "Palestinians". At least I offered a solution for those willing to stop beating their heads against a wall and accept the reality that they have sacrificed generations to a fight that will not achieve their desires, and only has resulted in more and more deprivation because that is the only way their "enemy oppressors" can protect themselves.

 

Christians do fight to protect the innocent. We don't torture. We don't cut babies heads off. We don't rape, but if you want to come after our children or the children of our friends we will see to it you go before our maker pronto! Got a problem with that? Evil does exist. No land was ever stolen. No established borders ever crossed. At every turn it just seems you hate this country and chime in with the Democrat Socialists.

 

Nor did it hurt. It was more symbolic that practical. All of Jerusalem is located in Israel. Israel has the right to manage its country as it sees fit.

 

did not help tensions in the region, just tossed gas on them

 

My wife and I contributute to charity. I am not going to try to brag or getting into a pissing contest [/QUOTE]

My humble apology but this to which you were responding

"But people like you should be writing out big checks from your own bank account and supporting your cause. How much of your money have you donated recently?"

And said

was a bad edit on my part and in fact came from YOUR post and were YOUR words to me.

So did you just prove you are every bit as unconcerned about this as the liberals?


You asked what I would do right now and I responded. You ignored it.

So tell me what YOU think we should do here, what is the outcome YOU want?

And BTW my charitable efforts on the monetary side tend to go to children facing health needs and my time for a wide variety playing music at various events although that is more rare in my older years now.

 

I think we have tried the complicated. The terrorist have one simple objective, destroy the Jews and the West and install global Islamic law. They have not waivered for hundreds of years. And every time we try to complicate it we lose and they prove again what is their goal. So what's the complicated solution that is going to work without the simple ones being dealt with first?

 

It could have been solved just a few years ago when Israel gave in and allowed their self governance. What did the Palestinians do but elect a terrorist group which vows the destruction of Israel to it's leadership. Now they will pay a price for doing so.

 

Not every problem has a good solution. My concern here is the private and not so private backers of these terrorist groups. I dont want to get dragged into something with iran, china, russia.

 

Well after a few days, Biden finally said a few things. Maybe that's better than saying awful things, like others have.

GREAT MOMENTS IN EDITING:

'The @nytimes changed it from “terrorists” to “gunmen.” Wouldn’t want to upset the Hamas Caucus, I guess. https://t.co/s1AJjIpC4K pic.twitter.com/LiELP4S9ki — Jeremy Redfern (@JeremyRedfernFL) October 11, 2023'

'The editors of the New York Times are finely attuned to their readers’ sensitivities. They helped nurture them, after all.'

AL SHARPTON’S NETWORK: MSNBC Continues to Embarrass Itself With Biased Hamas Coverage, Israeli Mom Claps Back at Andrea Mitchell.

'An Israeli mother whose 12- and 16-year-old sons were abducted by Hamas terrorists was visibly irritated when MSNBC’s Andrea Mitchell asked about Israeli airstrikes in the Gaza Strip, exclaiming: “I can’t be sympathetic.”'

'Mitchell, whose left-leaning network has drawn criticism for refusing to refer to Hamas attackers as terrorists, pressed the unidentified mom on her feelings about Israel’s attacks on Gaza.'

'Incredibly, Andrea Mitchell asks Israeli mother, whose two children were abducted by Hamas Terrorists, how she feels about Israel retaliation in Gaza.'

'The mother passionately explained the difference between terrorist actions and the legitimate Israeli response:'

'I can’t be sympathetic to animal human beings — well, they’re not really human beings — who came into my house, broke everything, stole everything, took my children from their bedrooms and took them to the Gaza Strip.'

'If you were dealing with a war who is between two countries, countries don’t take children hostages. I’m sorry. It’s against the laws of war. It’s against humanity. It’s against anything that we all believe in.'

 

My humble apology but this to which you were responding

"But people like you should be writing out big checks from your own bank account and supporting your cause. How much of your money have you donated recently?"

And said



was a bad edit on my part and in fact came from YOUR post and were YOUR words to me.

So did you just prove you are every bit as unconcerned about this as the liberals?


You asked what I would do right now and I responded. You ignored it.

So tell me what YOU think we should do here, what is the outcome YOU want?

And BTW my charitable efforts on the monetary side tend to go to children facing health needs and my time for a wide variety playing music at various events although that is more rare in my older years now.[/QUOTE]

As to what we should do? IMHO sit back, observe, come up with various options, and make a well reasoned and calm decision. The best decision for now may be to do nothing. As to the outcome I want, that would be the outcome with the least human suffering. Not very geopolitical I admit.

 

IRAN IS IN THIS, they are up to their eyeballs in it and if China or Russia try to interject on the side of Hamas you think we should do nothing?

NO ONE of any civility or reason wants this but IT IS HERE. And it can't be ignored any longer. We can't wish it away Biden has already been trying that. I heard our National Security Adviser try to BRAG yesterday about this administration's ability to get hostages freed he made the statement that NO President has ever gone as far as he to get Americans released. WELL DUH, how did he do that, he paid off the hostage takers with BILLIONS of dollars is that is plan now we'll just sent Hamas $6 BILLION and release so really bad terrorist to top it off and then he can brag about getting them out?