Why Are Dems Demanding That Menendez Resign But Not Bribed Joe?

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  1. sdelsolray

    sdelsolray Well-Known Member

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    You, as well as ALL of your misinformation-laced sources, have yet to demonstrate that President Biden received any bribes.
     
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    What “evidence”? I mean did you see AOC’s questioning of the “witnesses” at the so called impeachment inquiry? She shredded the “evidence” and showed it to be the nothing burger it really was
     
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    Evidence - that is what is missing - evidence
     
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    No, theres stronger evidence than was in the steele dossier, specific, detailed, verifiable.
    The official democratic narrative is to say "not proof" no matter what.

    BUT THE PROOF IS THERE, LIKE IT OR NOT.
     
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    there is no evidence of a crime, if there was, Republicans in Congress would have used it already
     
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    Why? Because even Dems aren't stupid enough to want Kamala as President....
     
  7. Shutcie

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    Well, that applies to just about everyone *shudders :???:
     
  8. Zorro

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    If you want to pretend that Bribed Joe isn't bribed, what's that to me? It's obvious that he is. Do you think anyone else has crooked foreign Oligarchs routing payments to their children and grandchildren through 2 dozen shell companies in exchange for no legitimate goods or services? Besides, Bribed Joe openly bragged about getting his son's prosecutor fired after Burisma have the Bidens the $10M in bribes.

    Bob Menendez is being charged as a foreign agent — so why not Hunter and Bribed Joe Biden?

    Everyone is aghast that Senator Bob acted as a foreign agent while a US Senator, what about the Vice President acting as a foreign agent while VP?

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    Bribed Joe is worse, but Menendez is Cuban.

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    Corrupt FBI knew all about their corruption and that the laptop detailed, they lied and rigged the election to eject Trump and install Bribed Joe as president.
     
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    Show us the DOJ investigation into it.
     
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    A senator from a safe seat like New Jersey can be discarded. There are plenty more robots to take his place, who will vote the way Schumer tells them. Of course one of the problems with Manendez was that he didn't follow orders perfectly. That makes him more expendable.

    The presidency is another matter. You have spend a hundred million at least to get one of them elected. You also have to take the chance that your voter fraud schemes to get him there will not be exposed. If they are, you have to spend more money to get them buried. Overall, it's much cheaper to keep a senile crook in office than to replace him.

    If Kamala wasn't a laughing hyena, it would be much easier to dump Biden. As a "woman of color" she would be the perfect president. The trouble is she doesn't have enough brain cells to look good enough for the job, even though her identity politics credentials are impeccable.

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    Another difference, Menendez has no classified docs issue.

    New Evidence Hurts Biden Defense in Classified Docs Case

    ' Hur surfaced to interview Biden over his possession of classified documents, including some that go back to his time as a U.S. senator.'

    The doc that came from when he was a Senator were stolen out of a SCIF.

    Muck like Bribed Joe claimed no knowledge of Cracked Hunter collecting over $21M in bribes from foreign Oligarchs, washing it through two dozen shell companies and depositing it into the bank accounts of 9 different Bidens, including grandchildren, so Bribed Biden 'insisted that he had no knowledge or involvement in the removal or use of the documents.'

    'The most glaring problem is that, after they were removed at the end of his term as vice president, the documents were repeatedly moved and divided up. Some were found in the Penn Center office used by Biden in Washington, D.C. Others were found in his garage and in his library.'

    'Now, however, it appears that a critical claim by the White House in the scandal may not only be false, but was knowingly false at the time it was made. The White House and Biden’s counsel have long maintained that, as soon as documents were discovered in the D.C. office, they notified the national archives. Many asked why they did not call the FBI, but the White House has at least maintained that, unlike Trump, they took immediate action to notify authorities.'

    Actually emails prove that they knew they were illegally in possession of classified materials for nearly two years before the dog and pony show we were fed of them suddenly 'discovering' the illegally possessed docs.

    Menendez is right, they are trying to unequally apply the law. He's told them to shove it, he'll see them in court.
     
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    Because Menendez is from a heavily Democratic state with a Democratic governor who can be easily replaced by another Democrat if he resigns.

    That means that this is a chance for the Democrats to appear to be against corruption to protect corrupt Joe Biden without risking anything in the process.

    To all the lefty's who claim there's no evidence against Biden, you all sound remarkably like arabs who claim there's no evidence against Hamas.
     
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  13. Patricio Da Silva

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    And none implicate Joe Biden
    There are at least 10 legitimate and legal reasons for Shell companies. Trump has over 500 of them.
    Moot point, if you knew that none are required for a legitimate and legal shell company, hence the name 'shell'.
    How many foreign businesses have many bank accounts?

    I'll give you a hint: many.
    Proving that Hunter was generous with his relevatives. However, not one nickel to Joe Biden.
    No evidence whatsoever, that is pure speculation.
    Correct
    Correct
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    Well?

    Feel free to provide the evidence, even your guy Jonathan Turley said there wasn't evidence.
     
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  14. Patricio Da Silva

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    I'd love nothing more than for Biden to resign, but for reasons of age, and that would mean Harris would be the first woman president, and Biden would be out of the race in 2024.

    However, since there is no evidence, it's not fair to ask him, not at least for crimes, as there is none, maybe on age, we should.

    Maybe if we all hint strong enough.
     
  15. Patricio Da Silva

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    Evidence exists on Menendez, but not on Joe.

    Ask Jonathan Turley.

    We could ask Joe not to run in 2024 because of age,. but that is about it.
     
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  16. Zorro

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    Oh sure, foreign Oligarchs just like giving $Millions to Bidens for weather reports. Those claims smell worse than the seat cushions on The View after Taco Tuesday.

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    Bribed Joe had the lowest approval rating since he was sworn in after the corrupt FBI/CIA rigged the election for him.

    18 Charts Provide Overview of Biden's Lowest Job Approval Rating

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    Note that all recent presidents has higher approvals at this point than Bribed Joe.

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    Americans are not impressed with Bribed Joe.

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    Independents are not fans.

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    The Trumpster's overall rating has been rising for 30 months, while Bribed Joe's has been falling for 33 months.

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    Nearly 70% view Bribed Joe's increasing dementia as a National Security concern.

    If Dems aren't going to hold Bribed Joe accountable, Menendez is right to tell them to go straight to hell, he'll see them in Court. The Cuban is supposed to fall on his sword while the privileged white guy skates? Nope!
     
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    I don't know why you wouldn't through all that trouble, as you have not provided any evidence of crimes by Joe, the only issue under debate in this particular conversation. You've been ranting and raving, literally pounding sand for months, and to date, you have provided not one stitch of evidence that would even impress your guy, Jonathan Turley. Fail.
     
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    Tell you what.
    There is clearly no level of evidence, no "smoking gun" that will ever convince you biden is corrupt.

    So you vote for the man, if he runs, and we'll see if he ends up impeached. Then you can tell us none of the evidence was real, or whatever.
     
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    No indictments have been contrived against the President.

     
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    That's utterly false.

    All you have to due is provide ACTUAL evidence. (the Ukraine brag video is NOT evidence of wrongdoing).

    What might that be?

    A taped conversation in which Joe Biden clearly implicates himself.

    Documents which list moneys received from Hunter's clients for quid pro quo payments in exchange for legislative advantage paid to Joe as evidenced by contracts, cancelled checks, drafts, bank statements.

    LLCs listing Hunter and Joe as signatories as part of his business schemes.

    testimony from Joe Biden's close associates implicating Joe.

    Because, thus far, your side has produced.......

    Not one financial document has Joe Biden as beneficiary or signatory.

    Not one LLC lists Joe Biden as an officer in a Shell.

    Not one LLC has been proven to be established for a corrupt purpose as none of the 10 or so legitimate reasons have been excluded.

    Not one taped phone call implicates joe in any wrong doing.

    Not one testimony against Joe is backed by hard evidence.

    No testimony given by Joe's staff against him.

    No testimony by Joe's sons and daughters are made against him

    Bobulinksi is not a Joe Biden staffer and he was not able to substantiate his claims.

    one 'witness' turned out to be a fugitive from the law.

    Noting that every email and text presented do not have Joe Biden as a participant in the conversation and third party mentions of Joe is hearsay and some have been established as fake.

    Noting that the chain of custody of the laptop is not clear cut, and has the potential for corruption.

    In fact, all of the evidence thus far produced, it only proves that Hunter Biden did business abroad, that that business is not against the law, plus the fact that he generously shared his profits with other family members, but notably except his father. There might be a FARA violation but that is not proof of wrongdoing beyond that fact.

    SARs are not proof of wrongdoing, says so right on the Gov website.

    FBI FD-1023 reports are not evidence, they need to be corroborated, and none have been, to date.

    IRS agents are not, by definition, true whistleblowers, their testimony is merely a disagreement with the prosecutors prosecutorial decisions, in which such disagreements are common, and not only that, their testimony was impeached by Weiss and Garland.

    That Yelena Baturina was not sanctioned is not a damning fact at all, as alleged, given that some 50 Russian/Ukrainian billionaires haven't been sanctioned, either, and she is merely one of many.

    This is precisely why Jonathan Turley proclaimed 'there is no evidence'.

    This is precisely why David Weiss has not prosecuted Hunter for any financial crime after five years of investigating him.

    This is precisely when Hannity asked Comer if there was any evidence forthcoming, comer said 'I hope so'.

    don't you see? You need ACTUAL evidence. Suggestive evidence will not get you a prosecution by any prosecutor ion any court of law on the President of the United States.

    Do you understand?

    Show me some hard evidence, and I will be the first in line to demand Joe resign. But I sure as hell am not going to do it ono the crap you guys have produced, thus far, stuff which even Comer admits is not evidence.

    What you guys are calling 'smoke' isn't even that, you are confusing 'mirage' with 'smoke'. Smoke points to a gun. A mirage fades upon scrutiny, which is the case, currently, with your so-called 'evidence'.
     
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    Well, "my side" is under no obligation to provide evidence that would prevail in a criminal trial at this stage.
    The evidence provided shows that president Biden has lied about his involvement with his son, that companies with no business reason for existing have been used to process over $20 MILLION in foreign money that has no apparent purpose bit bribery.
    And no explanation for payments to people who have no apparent connection to those businesses except a common last name.

    All much stronger evidence, verifiable evidence, than was used to spy on trumps campaign.

    We'll wait to see if biden is impeached and convicted.
    I seriously doubt the government will ever bring biden to justice.
     
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    In my view, this is more of a misunderstanding due to sloppy articulation than a 'lie'. I think Joe has a cursory knowledge of his son's dealings, as do everyone of us since we read about him in the news -- I think what he means he's not aware of the intricate details of his son's businesses given that he's not involved with his son's businesses.

    but, even if he were outright lying, so? That isn't a crime, and WTF, how many lies did Trump tell, what 35k and counting?
    With that in mind, why does lying bother you?
    That's pure speculation.
    Pure speculation, Note that no one has subpoenaed Hunter, to date. I think they have his bank records now, let's see what BS they can speculate about it.
    Evidence? What evidence? No evidence, to date, has been presented that proves any financial crimes, influence, wahtever, zippo, zilch, nada, squat.

    Even Jonathan Turley, a fave among the Fox News crowd, said he didn't see any evidence.
    Well, methinks you have to find evidence, first.
     
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    Menendez is being used as a scapegoat. So the DNC can say SEE! WE DON'T MAKE EXCEPTIONS FOR OUR OWN!
     
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    You aren't worth anymore time.
     
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