Destroying Democracy To Save It: Jonathan Turley

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  1. Zorro

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    Destroying Democracy To Save It

    Jonathan Turley

    'Maine shows the danger of zealots in our legal system.'

    '“You had me at hello.” That line from the movie “Jerry Maguire” came to mind this week after yet another Democratic secretary of state moved to prevent citizens from voting for former president Donald Trump.'

    'Maine’s Shenna Bellows issued a “decision” that declared Trump an “insurrectionist” and ineligible to be president. She joined an ignoble list of Democratic officials in states such as Colorado who claim to safeguard democracy by denying its exercise to millions of Americans.'

    'Yet the most striking aspect of this poorly crafted decision was not its litany of conclusory findings, but rather Bellow’s implausible suggestion that she struggled over the decision. Bellows was a natural choice for challengers, who have been searching for any officials or courts willing to embrace this dangerous theory under the Fourteenth Amendment that they can unilaterally bar candidates deemed rebellious or insurrectionalist.'

    'Challengers knew that they had Bellows at hello. She was one of the first officials to declare the Jan. 6 riot to be an “insurrection” prompted by Trump’s speech.'

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    Looks like a typical crazy stalker psycho ex girlfriend you need to watch around the knives.

    She didn't 'struggle', she jumped at the chance. She immediately jumped on the "insurrection' line that the Left developed on J6 to pull this 14A stunt and she continued chanting "insurrection' with the rest of the zealots for at least a year. Dems know that the election process could easily result in a Trump second term and they are determined to prevent that, by hook or by crook. Their mantra is Democrats may have to act radically to deny Donald Trump the 2024 election. Trump must be defeated. No matter what it takes.

    Only a few key states need to bar him and with the ECV the vast majority could elect him, only to have him barred from office by a few key Democrat officials who blocked ballot access. This is proving to be one of the more dangerous legal theories to arise in our long-lived Republic. Clearly Republicans, if this is allowed to stand, will do the same and start stripping Democrats from their State ballots. Zealots think past the next election. Statesmen think past the next generation.

    Please discuss.
     
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    This entire episode is stupid.
    Texas and Florida are on record as saying the can take Biden off the ballot, too.
     
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    I'm happy to say that this would be unconstitutional.. unless President Biden is convicted of insurrection/rebellion/treason against the US.
     
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    You have to ask Turley under oath to get anything honest from him, he likes his bread well buttered.
     
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    More proof of the now very Inconvenient Truth: “If voting mattered, they wouldn’t let us do it.” Emma Goldman, Mark Twain, Mencken
     
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    She is a Democrat activist who is not even a lawyer trying to interfere in our election.
     
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    Well, "They" need to relearn that they represent us, they do not rule us.

    These folks have gone around the bend. And they are letting their crazy show more and more because they know they are losing. They think their willingness to be more destructive gives them an edge that will save them.

    ‘Trump Democrats’ helping destroy ‘Obama coalition’ of black people, Hispanics, and youth.

    Turns out folks don't like being bossed around by crazy people.

    'In a trend last seen when former President Ronald Reagan pulled disgruntled blue-collar workers from the Democratic base in 1980 and 1984, some voters who backed Biden in 2020 are shifting to Trump due to concerns the economy will worsen if a change in Washington isn’t made soon.'

    '“He is destroying the Obama coalition,” said Trump pollster John McLaughlin, who shared crosstabs from his latest 1,700-page survey results with Secrets. “Five percent of the poll who was a Biden 2020 voter is now voting for Trump in 2024. It is roughly a third Hispanics, a third black, and they are younger,” he said.'

    “There is roughly another 5% that voted for Biden in 2020 that is undecided,” he added.

    “They are all working class and Democrats. It’s a Trump Democrat, they are Trump, working-class Democrats,” he explained. “For us older guys, it's like deja vu from when Reagan had Reagan Democrats.”

    'The latest McLaughlin and Associates survey echoed several showing Trump maintaining his lead over Biden, 47%-44%.'

    Last cycle Bribed Joe led by 5.7% at this point of the race.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html

    'the “Trump Democrats” do not appear likely to return to the Democratic Party because they are younger and less attached to the party.'

    And too many Democrat 'rulers' seem stark raving nuts.

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    Which is why Trump was shown the door in 2020
     
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    Trump won't be on the political landscape much longer.

    Future generations will watch as the MAGA worshipped a criminal, an autocrat wannabe and the judgment they will pass on them will be harsh.

    Fortunately, moderates are more numerous and stand as a bulwark against this madness.

    Reagan said it best: 'Freedoms are only one generation away from extinction'....
     
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    According to the left, only an accusation is required.
    Wouldn't selling influence for 22 million, running it through 24 shell companies from foreign nationals and distributing those monies to Biden family members be treason.
     
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    That would be Texas, not Maine.
     
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    If not, I think giving aid and comfort to the enemy by unfreezing Irans assets would. That's certainly more proveable than the insurrection tripe they're using to remove Trump from ballots.
     
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    The corrupt CIA and FBI rigged that election by lying to the American People and claiming that Hunter's laptop was "Russian Disinformation". The attempts to rig this one don't seem to be working as well.
     
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    You (nor the left) have the historical evidence of correct predictions to make any credible future claims.

    And they will see how Democrats will illegally interfere with elections, falsify unconstitutional claims, and even charge a candidate with bank fraud, when they don't even have a bank claiming they were defrauded.
    They will review the thousands of poisonous lies concocted by left extremist, the lefts murdering Americans while being egged on by Democrat leaders while engaged in over 550 riots across this country burning down billions in American businesses, taking over the city of Seattle, burning down federal buildings all because of their ignorant temper tantrums of not getting their way.

    They will see the dozens of failures to get the SCOTUS to rule on constitutional idiocy,
    They will see the 24/7 fake news on a candidate perpetrated by the extreme left
    They will see the demise of CNN for their participation in 4 years of fake claims
    They will see the fake claims of accusing a sitting president of being a Russian Spy
    They will see how Democrats held kangaroo courts to falsify information to the public like a president attacking
    his own Secret Service to commandeer the presidential limo or how a Capitol Police officer was murdered
    with a fire extinguisher
    They will see Democrats in 2016 running commercials asking electors to illegally change their votes
    They will see Democrats trying to remove elector votes
    They will see how Democrats falsified documents to federal judges to get illegal FISA warrants to spy on a presidential campaign
    They will see the 25 federal officers removed from service for their participation in fraud against the president.
    They will see how Democrats covered up information about Hunter and Joe Bidens money schemes to sell influence
    to foreign nationals through shell corps
    They will see how Democrats rallied to promote CRT and teaching 5th graders about gay and trans sexuality issues
    They will see Democrats hosting trans days for kids in libraries

    You are right, they will see a lot and they will come to the very same conclusions.
    Democrats have become a poison to this country and will do ANYTHING to remain in power.
     
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    Its more than obvious Democrats can't see past anything other than getting Trump.
    They have no clue how this would backfire on them.
    How about a Republican House of representatives refusing to allow states electors who refuse to abide by the constitution

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    Democrats have very tiny little windows of forward thinking. VERY TINY.
     
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    Harsh But Fair:

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    Trump lost in 2020.

    Because of him, you also lost midterms in 2022.

    MAGAs make a lot of noise, but they only represent 45% of the Republican electorate.

    2024 will be a terrible year for conservatives.

    The Democrats are guaranteed to retain the presidency and will win the House.

    The Senate will probably be Republican, since the inequitable representation of the states gives you an almost insurmountable advantage.

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    But wait you don't have to prove anything you can just assume it. That is the basic argument made by a number of democrats here and elsewhere.
     
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    Really, the last we all checked Republicans won the House.
    You should keep up better

    Its not your (So called) MAGAs you need to worry about.
    Its the independent voters who have seen this Democrat treason.
    Its the minority voters who not only has seen this Democrats treason, but have left the democrat plantation
    And they ALL have seen Bidens Historical inflation, Historical illegals now at 2.2 million per year, Historical grocery prices, and Historical gas prices.
    Maybe you aren't up on current events but Biden has the least amount of Minority support than any other president in history.


    Like you would know. lol Heres a little wake up call for ya
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    Oh, you want to play the picture game?
    Lets do that

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    If you consider eight Republican majority seats a victory, we're both happy.

    The Conservative performance in the House is a disaster, you're dysfunctional, in a virtual civil war.

    The voters are going to punish you in 2024.

    Repeating falsehoods over and over won't make them true.

    Trump is a criminal and will be convicted in 2024 in at least two out of four trials.

    Americans won't elect a convicted felon as President.

    But you can keep making yourself believe otherwise, you're so good at it.
     
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    How do you know she didn't represent the people of Maine? If I lived in Maine, I would have said "Well done".
    "Destructive"? I would rather make a mistake of commission than omission. If it's overturned, it's overturned. Trump is the danger to the country, not this lady.
    I see you remember when Trump was "President".
    Those people really aren't paying attention to the economy then.
     
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    Then Trump's 50 plus companies, and the Saudi money being run through them should REALLY be a problem for you, right?

    *crickets*


    I don't think Biden OR Trump should be on the ballot, neither are keeping the country's best interest at heart and Trump is just plain ****ing insane.
     
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    Is that how Democrats measure victory now? Republicans have control of the house, but look, we only lost by 8 seats?

    These conservatives, and investigative bankers, and IRS whistle blowers and FBI whistle blowers and thousands of pages of subpoenaed bank accounts show how Bidens treason against this countries voters was only for his personal profit putting America up for sale to the highest bidder. That coupled with Hunters 9 indictments for tax fraud and his connection to hosting 24 shell corps for Daddy to sell influence to foreign nationals is going to be the end of Democrat leadership for a while.

    Voters know, the IRS knows, Boarder patrol knows, but for some reason you're the only one in the dark?
    Thats funny. You should run with that.

    Not only are you not going to get any convictions, Jack Smith guarantees it for you.
    He's already lost twice and the trial hasn't even started yet.
    If you pinned your hopes on this buffoon, maybe you should look at his abysmal failures charging Republicans.

    All I can do is provide the actual historical information.
    While those 15%ers shout about (Nothing ever happened, its all a lie, these are falsehoods) the rest of the country knows better.
    And I gave you a list of what everyone already knows.
    You should really get over your obsessive hatred for Trump and start paying attention to reality.
     
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    So you don't know the difference between over 500 filed corporations making payroll, paying bills, selling products and services, paying taxes, and filed with an IRS Tax ID
    and a shell corp with no payroll, no products, no services, and no tax ID is just moving money through them.
    But thats normal for the left these days.

    I would be happy if both were out. But given the difference, most will vote for Trump
     
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    And your Saudi money claim should be an example of how to do it right.
    Like Jared Kushner's filing with the SEC and IRS, providing detailed information as to how much is invested, what banks its in, what fees will be paid, what taxes are being paid.

    Heres an example of how to do it legally by Jared.
    https://reports.adviserinfo.sec.gov/reports/ADV/315482/PDF/315482.pdf

    Now, find one of those for Hunters 24 shell accounts hosting over 22 million from foreign nationals and distributed to his family members.
     
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