Trump ordered to pay over $350M for business fraud

OMG !

Did you find a way to save Trump $355 million?... and you're sitting there doing nothing.

 

He had a jury in the rape lawsuit, did that change how you or he view the verdict?

 

That is a principle we should strive for within our system. But, as Dworkin said, a judge must consider various competing principles, beyond the letter of the law, when deciding a case. Different cases involve different principles, and not all principles carry the same weight. When half the country wants to elect Trump as President, and he is the leading candidate, I think you know there is a principle much weightier than the one you quoted. The judge didn't consider it because he is blinded by partisanship.

Cooperation in returning classified documents does not extinguish the duty Biden had in the first place to not take them as Senator or VP, and that cooperation should have no bearing on whether charges should be brought (but the principles I hint at above may, and it may affect any potential sentence).

 

Carter page wasn’t a candidate and the initial warrant was valid

 

Is square footage subjective?

 

Yeah, I'd donate 40 Wall Street as a homeless shelter and wash my hands of it. Let the city pay the upkeep and land lease.

 

Yes.

Look up "vaulted ceilings" and "basements" and other such things.

Are the number of floors in 40 Wall Street subjective?

 

Neither I ore the Judge determined the advantage, but a in depended auditor, which Trumps lawyers did not question.

It is about the law, you falsify, lie and doctor your documents in a fraudulent way and get caught doing so, you get nailed.

I have to assume that you have no knowledge, about the process to acquire a business loan. I have done that a lot and had to provide all those documents and sign them, put my name under them.
To the best of my ability, which means, that I, who signs those papers, has made every effort to provide the correct information.

Trump Corp did not do that, they falsified, doctored, flat out lied and made up, that is fraud. It has nothing to do what the banks did, if they did their own audit, appraisals, made money, had no damage or what ever.

You sign that paper and with that you are responsible for what is stated in that paper.
That is the law.
I had to fill out those papers many, many times, real estate values are based on the present, not the future, if you fill out those papers, you better have knowledge, get a appraisal, so you do not have fantasy figures, know the square footage, acreage, lots and so on, other wise you are in lala land and might get sued for fraud.
Your finacial income papers of the property, they have to be 100% correct, same for PL and so on.

Its the law, as simple as that.
Its the law how a possible fine will get calculated, simple as that.

If you read the approach, appeal, of Trumps layers, they do not question the process of the law, but the law itself.
So they know everything was done properly within the law, but question the law.

Good luck with that.

 

So then you have other examples of completed loans that the state awarded itself damages and the lender neither sued nor received any money in damages.

 

Trump isn't above the law. But he is above these laws. In this particular case. There are other democratic principles at play that outweigh the pure letter of these laws. For the same reasons Biden is above the law in his classified documents or bribery cases. He wouldn't have been, but I believe Republicans have waited for too close to the election to hold him to account (just like the Democrats with Trump), so now, I disapprove of legal action toward Biden. It's too late, and now democratic principles that are more important than the letter of those laws are at play. Now, if a specific and serious harm to the nation from a foreign state can be shown as a result from these transgressions (from either Trump or Biden), then that may outweigh the risk of erosion of faith in our democratic elections. Or obviously if one of them shot someone in the face. But it's not worth these laws. Not for these men. Not now.

 

Which has what to do with the bank fraud case?
Were you going to expand on how investors, investment banks, and real estate lenders pulling out of NY are related to your rape lawsuit, or were you just making another out of context post?

 

Right, they spied on Carter page, legally at first….and he wasn’t a “presidential candidate”. The campaign denied he even worked for them.

 

Stop crying about a jury when we all know you’d just complain if you don’t like the ruling anyway. No difference.
Instead of protecting court staff and jurors from the angry maga mob, they just have to protect court staff.

 

Concern based on what? Nothing but propaganda in order to win the elections! No one inside the FDA, or anyone else made such claims, but the future POTUS and VP. It undermined their credibility on day one, such that they have no credibility.

Based on the lies told by this administration, would you trust them now if they declared a state of emergency? I wouldn't.

 

RIght, maybe you should stop worrying about me and tell your theory to the thousands of truckers and trucking companies who are refusing to service NY.
Then you can pose your new theory to the investment banks and NY real estate lenders who are all pulling out of NY as well.
Which is the actual subject of my post.

Do keep us all up to date on your progress.

 

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news...e-pressure-fda-rush-covid-19-vaccine-election

 

Do let me know when you can find anything about how that relates to my post.
Thanks

 

You said “Like falsifying FISA warrants to spy on presidential candidates”. That never happened. You shouldnt make up stuff

 

You mean like these
Warrants to Spy on Trump Campaign Lacked Probable Cause, DOJ Admits
https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-...ump-campaign-lacked-probable-cause-doj-admits

Turns out the FBI and Justice Department did abuse the FISA process, omit material information, and subvert justice, and the DOJ now has admitted it.
This forthright admission by the Justice Department cuts against the story concocted by the Democrats about the legal merits of the Russia investigation.
The FBI identified multiple corrective actions it said it is taking and will undertake to make sure this doesn’t happen again.

Altogether, Wray directed FBI personnel to take more than 40 corrective actions, including 12 that relate to the FISA process. These proposed actions are substantive and serious and would, if enacted and carried out, go a long way to improve the system.
Wray noted that the FBI “deeply regrets the errors and omissions” in this saga, and that the underlying conduct was “unacceptable and unrepresentative of the FBI as an institution.”


You should run down the DOJ and make them aware of your findings, (AGAIN) lol
Or maybe you can admit you are the last person on planet earth that didn't know this was about spying on the campaign to connect Trump to the Russians.

 

A bunch of noise by people outside of the administration and people complaining that they didn't do it the way they wanted to do it. That sounds like the years 2016-2020 alright. A bunch of Benedict Arnolds who had no genuine desire to help or serve the Administration. Indeed, they were part of the 'resistance inside the West Wing'(remember that explosive article? It's now a footnote in that four year saga)

FDA commissioner Stephen M Hahn said the agency would not allow politics to enter in the search for a vaccine. “We take the development of a Covid-19 vaccine for the American people very seriously,” he said. “Science and data – not politics – has and will always guide our decision-making, including our work related to vaccines.”

As it would turn out, the trial vaccines would be released mere weeks after the election. Infuriating the people on the lies told by this administration. They've yet to apologize for those lies.

Mail-gate is a similar lie to the American People. The USPS needed reform and its chairman(confirmed and voted on by Congress, BTW) went about the reforms only for an uneducated moron like the former Speaker of the House to engage in a Red Scare to the people, telling them that the administration was attempting to control the votes via the mail.

It was absurd kabuki theater, but it worked to get out there. Guess what would happen, early in Biden's term?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postal_Service_Reform_Act_of_2022

Liars, pants on fire liars who count on the people to forget their lies.

 

Irrelevant and shows your ignorance on the subject. Indeed, people are prosecuted in CIVIL court day in and day out for crimes. Being charged in a civil trial does not mean you only did something uncivil and that was that. Bring charged in a civil trial means you are being accused of breaking the law, AKA committing a crime.

The main difference between a civil trial and a criminal trial is that civil claims can be proven by a lower standard of proof, such as preponderance of evidence. Also, things discovered in a CIVIL trial can indeed be later charged in a follow-up CRIMINAL trial.

Also, there are victimless crimes committed all the time and they are nonetheless crimes. In Trump's case the victims go into the millions, namely every New York taxpayer who did not get the same conditions for loans that Trump did and therefore had to pay more for less. The other victims, whether they like to identify themselves as so or not, are the banks that he swindled with his lies.

So, use of "civil trial" in order to haplessly cover Trump's ass will bear you no fruit, but it will land some egg on your face, as it just did.

It's just astounding the lengths that Trump sychophants will go to, the kind of pretzels they will tie themselves into, in order to justify his criming. I think that's like the 33rd order of cult worship, right there and it is just plain old sad to watch.

 

The Differences Between a Criminal Case and a Civil Case - FindLaw

Applies to every single jurisdiction in the USA and its territories.

 

It is curious that you find humor in that.

 

Letitia and Arthur have set a new precedent. This was the only application of the obscure 1956 which has been prosecuted only 12 times in which large penalties were assessed that there was no victim or damages. This is clearly a politicization of the justice system. Also included in the article which is an op ed in the WSJ behind a paywall is a similar lawfare case brought in Delaware against Elon Musk. The article was co authored by Jeb Bush- no friend of Trump.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-...mMER_h#:~:text=The U.S,Delaware trial lawyers.

 

This thread reminds me of a defective toilet whose chain has come off and it continues to flush for days.