The Diversity Experiment Has Failed Spectacularly...Bring Back The BEST QUALIFIED People!!

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  1. Cybred

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    Nope, the harm was done to blacks in America, so so must the restitution.
     
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    Not a single black person alive in America today was a slave and not a single white person alive in America today was a slave owner.

    So there's no one living that did wrongs and there's no one living that was wronged.
     
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    Who's talking about slavery?
     
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    The harm was done to black individuals in America. Those individuals deserve restitution. Others who merely look like them do not. You are making the same error as those who see black individuals commiting crimes, and declare other black people to be violent and prone to crime. Pure racism. Liberals and Egalitarians oppose this.
     
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  5. Cybred

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    Sorry but one of the keys to family prosperity is generational wealth, blacks were denied this because of jim crow and others. Which affected the generations which came after them.
     
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    I guess that must have skipped my generation because I have no generational wealth.

    The difference is I don't go blaming others for it.

    I don't deserve anything just for existing and neither do they
     
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    If your concern is helping the poor, that's noble. So help the poor. Don't be racist about it.
    Why should it matter how much money people inherited from their ancestors? Why should it matter why their ancestors were poor and didn't give them any free money?
    If they are born into poverty, they are born into poverty.
    And not all black people are born into poverty by the way, nor do they all have ancestors who were slaves in America. It is racist to presume they are just becuase they are black.

    When people purporting to be liberals push racism, how can we ever expect to take down the racism on the right?
     
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    Tulsa race massacre - Wikipedia
     
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    It does answer your question, but you still don't get it. Yes, everyone should be treated equally no matter the race. That has never been the case in the US and it continues. There was a recent study that repeated another study done 20 years before. Job applicants had the same resume but the only difference was race. Blacks had fewer call backs and the results were the same 20 years apart. Wishful thinking doesn't seem to work, so we are forced to attempt change through things like DEI and changing what is meant by merit.
     
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    A massacre in 1921 has nothing whatsoever to do with a black man who immigrated there two months ago. It has nothing to do with wealthy privileged black applicants to Harvard. It is racist to equate one black person to another who has nothing to do with them.
     
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    progressive logic

    "hey let's try to make things right with reverse racism and bigotry in order to prop up a group of people at the detriment of another group of people because of sins from the past!"

    "but won't that just create inequality to that other group of people?"

    "ya but we will worry about that in the future and then do this cycle again!"

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    Let me know when whites have jim crow laws applied to them.
     
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    So do what you can to stop it. You appear to be making excuses for it and demanding more of it, just with different targets.

    Citation? If you aren't making this up and the study is sound and this is true then that's evidence of a serious problem, yes. And you should take action to correct that problem, yes.

    Explicit racial discrimination against additional victims is not correcting that problem, but only sweeping it under the rug and obscuring future such data.

    Pretending racial diversity with lockstep ideological homogeneity is diversity, propaganda is education, and exclusion is inclusion also doesn't help as much as people claim.

    Pushing the message that it's ok to hire, appoint, or judge people by race is going to encourage more of that in all directions. That takes you backwards, not forwards. Pushing the message that race is central to who one is encourages more racism. How could it not?

    Changing what is meant by merit? From intelligence, hard work, and aptitude for doing a good job to what? Skin tone? That'd be directly mirroring the KKK. How about instead insisting that race doesn't determine merit, and that race is a stupid thing to judge anyone on?
     
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    Well segregation is a biproduct of this new DEI push by progressives, as we are seeing currently in schools openly and proudly with the demand of minority only spaces and events. But more importantly, if all things demand DEI, then all things are placing white straight men at the bottom of all lists. That's applying for jobs, schools, loans...it's everything.

    EVERY. THING.

    So what's happening right now is actually equally as bad, it's out in the open and it's destructive. Fosters hate, resentment and eventually violence.

    It's like progressives have never learned anything after jim crow.
     
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    Nope, not even close.
     
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    Reminds me of Netanyahu regimes treatment of Palestinians while calling back to the Nazi Holocaust of the Jews.
     
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    You disagree with the bolded? Does that mean you are ok with prejudging one black man as criminal because another commited a crime? If not, why not?
     
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    So you think its racist. Got it.
     
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    And you defend racism. Got it.
     
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    Nope.
     
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    Great counter argument. Would read again.
     
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    Do what "I" can do to stop it? You seem to have a mental block. It is a systemic problem inherent in US culture and that one study, believe it or not, is only one example. What "action" should I take? Giving help to an under represented demographic is not explicit racial discrimination against an over represented demographic no matter how much the right cries foul. Changing the culture is not attempting ideological homogeneity it is attempting to right 400 years of wrong. It is going forward from a bad place you can't seem to appreciate.

    Merit is a subjective evaluation for a specific job and according to the study race is a negative in the US.
     
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    You can start by not pushing for more of it. Then you can work to push the message that race is a stupid thing to care about, find others of like mind, and racism will slowly fade away over time.
    If you instead push the message that race is important and should define people and that we should discriminate based on it, you will ensure that racism never ends.

    You aren't helping or hurting demographics. You are helping or hurting individuals. Helping that privileged black college applicant with rich parents isn't doing anything to help that poor struggling black kid in the inner city. And discriminating against a white kid, who did nothing against black people, discriminating against him because he is white, is only going to lead him to resent black people and actually do something against black people.

    I get that you think this push for racial discrimination against white people somehow benefits those of us who aren't white, but it doesn't. It only gives a stamp of approval for racial discrimination which is then turned against us just as quickly. It is a push for rather than against racial division and identity. Race is actually a very stupid thing to care about or discriminate based on, and we need to encourage everyone to stop doing that, rather than ecouraging them to.

    Anyone who equates merit to race is racist and vile. That includes white supremecists as well as those who try to convince us being a racial minority is meritorious.
     
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    Merit is not "subjective". It's your professionalism, skill set. History of being responsible. It's hardly subjective at all.
     
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