The Looming Ukraine Debacle

Well there ya go D ! you know then about the Dirty Deeds of Daddy Bush -- even if not about the full extent of Rotten Ronnies genocide .. and now we have Genocide Joe leading the charge .. trying to out do Rotten Ronnie's record. Hard to say if beloved Biden has succeeded .. what do you think about that D? who is our Champion ..

 

.....and right off the bat we need to dispute this figure - there is no real concrete information on what is actually happening within the MIC in Russia - in terms of the units reaching the battlefields there is only anecdotal information and that seems to point to refurbished out of date items from deep reserve/ battle damaged repairs etc only. There is little evidence of any "new" tanks being put into service even though certain mothballed facilities and production lines are being reconstituted. The Russian MIC as has been suggested is rife with corruption, bad practise and mis-reporting and there is no reason to suggest this has changed within the last 18 months. Whilst it is likely that Russia may be able to maintain the refurbishment of older items from storage through 2024 it is highly unlikely they can maintain that into 2025 and it is highly unlikely they will be able to build at the scale required "modern" units that will be needed to replace battle damaged items throughout the rest of 2024.

considering that Russia is estimated to have around 4,500 - 5,000 artillery barrels in theatre, taking a mean figure this would be an average of 630 rounds per barrel per year or roughly an extra 2 a day. However, we don't now the calibres or types of rounds being manufactured/purchased/supplied or if they can produce the explosive fillers in scale to accommodate the shells/rounds produced or the corresponding propellants needed. Additionally it is likely that they are including shells procured from NK etc for example as being "new" shells so again we can't make any realistic estimates of what is or isn't true.

This is an information war more than anything else so it's important to put into perspective the meaning of a headline.

 

Good discussion. Here's a few more comments:

Russia has always depended on numbers. Early on in that ancient Cold War Era (which I lived through... it's not all that long ago), the Russians built massive numbers of tanks. We decided we couldn't afford to match them tank for tank, so we came up with things like the Apache helicopter to offset their numbers. The Apache is an amazing weapon. A single Apache can take out 16 tanks with its Hellfires. That makes up for the fewer tanks we fielded. We also had a hard time reading what the Russian plan was. We looked at he T-72 Russian tank, for example, as their main battle tank when it showed up. We soon learned tat the T-72 was largely for export and the T-62 "Bravo" model remained their main tank asset.

Time marches on and so does technology. Now we have Javelins, a truly unique weapon which gives the Infantry the ability to take on tanks to-to-toe and win. It really is an amazing weapon and nobody, friend or enemy, has anything like it.

By the way, as an old Artilleryman, I like your constant reference to artillery shell production as the yardstick to measure military material production. As George Patton once said, "I don't have to tell you who won the war. The Artillery did."

UxV's (drones) are changing the face of war. As tactics and doctrine develops around these new systems, a lot will change. We have yet to fully appreciate this. And if you think UxV's are a game changer, wait until non-nuclear EMP weapons are fully utilized. Non-nuclear EMP weapons are fully developed and waiting in the wings. We have CHAMP deployed globally, ready to go. As long ago as the 1980's, we were told that one out of every six Russian counterbattery radars were actually EMP generators in disguise. Hand held EMP generators have been spotted in Russian forces where they are very effective at knocking down drones.

Warfare is changing daily in very significant ways. I wish I wasn't too old to get back in the game.

We live in exciting times.

 

I don't have a "champion".
I know you run screaming to the moderators but you are a traitorous bastard.

 

UxV's ("drones") are changing the face of war. It will be awhile before we fully appreciate it. In the coming years, non-nuclear EMP will also change the three dimensional battlefield in ways we can't imagine. We'll be back using signal flags rather than radios, and direct fire in most instances. We have CHAMP. The Russians are ahead of us in EMP technology.

It's always difficult to assess Russian gear. For years we thought the T-72 was their main battle tank. In Reality, the T-72 was designed for export as the T-62 "bravo" remained their own primary battle tank. But certain philosophical differences remain. The Russians beat the Nazis by mass producing tanks in numbers the Nazis could not match. They still rely on numbers. We, on the other hand, adopted a policy of utilizing high tech rather than numbers. Instead of trying to match Russia in numbers of tanks, we developed things like the Apache helicopter which can destroy multiple tanks. Our JAVELIN is a unique system which allows Infantry to go to-to-toe aginst enemy armor and win. There is no other weapon system like it.

I must note that I like your constant reference to artillery shell production as a yardstick to measure defense production. As an old Artilleryman, its a welcome comment. As George Patton said, "I don't have to tell you who won the war. The Artillery did."

 

Russia is not building 100 new tanks per month, it is refurbishing T62 and old 72 and even 54 out of its storage. If it were to built 100 new tanks, where are they and why do they use T62 and 54 in ever increasing numbers in the Ukraine.
If Russia were to produce 3 million shells per year, why does it have to buy millions of shells from its partners.
I like to refer you to a guy called Keuleb, might have spelled his name wrong, he is at the military academy of the Suisse army. He does studies about the economy of war, deals with the hard facts, a number cruncher.

 

Never went screaming to the Mods ? .. what on earth are you talking about .. not sure what I would run to the mods about and normally it is you who go running that direction over slightest offense .. and one can not help being a bastard you know .. and no idea what you are calling traitorous .. when you are the one who hates the founding principle and constitutional republic .. playing both sides of the fence from time to time ... that sort of thing.

The question was not if you have a Champion .. the question was who is the Champion (the winner) of the Genocide contest between Rotten Ronnie and Genocide Joe ?

 

You're just upset about the Macgregor video. It's not about gaining real estate....it's about defeating ukie/nato while losing as few men as possible. Macgregor was spot on....you seem to not 'get it'....a certain indication of US Cold War mentality.....with which the US has never won a ground war. Never.

 

...can you confirm they are actually talking about the war in Ukraine???? Was MacGregor actually in the military do you know - I can see Col in the title introduction but is that short for Colin or something....??

 

Macgregor commanded the last successful tank battle the US had. FYI.

 

MacGregor is busy making good $$$ on YT from clueless viewers "Bill"....Mac greatly appreciates your business.....

 

All war is about gaining real estate. "Unoccupied enemy territory is still enemy territory". Wars are won when a Soldier with bayonet at the ready stands on the enemy objective. Armies conduct war to gain ground and defeat the enemy through fire and maneuver. No war has ever been won from the air without the use of nuclear weapons.

 

MacGregor graduated from West Point in 1976, the year after I graduated.

 

Not true. I assume you are referencing the "Battle of '73 Easting" in Desert Storm. MacGregor was there, but he was not the Commander. Captain McMaster (later Lieutenant General McMaster) was in Command of the task force that achieved the amazing victory. His tactics are still studied. He did some very innovative things like remove the governors off his tanks so he could take full advantage of the stabilized optics on the M1's. He also directed that his tanks use SABOT rounds to fire THROUGH the berms that hid the enemy tanks. He essentially routed an Iraqi division of 300 tanks with a task force of less than 30 vehicles, losing only one Bradley Fighting Vehicle in the process.

 

yeah....I've just been reading about the guy...IF what I've read is factual then he's either gone round the bloody pipe or he's merely telling a certain type of audience what they want to hear to make a shed load of cash out of them....who knows....anyway, for him to be taking the pro-Russian line like this makes little sense whatsoever in the context of what we see occurring in Ukraine at the moment.

I suppose we all have to make a living....

 

LOL. That's the thinking that the US uses....which is why it has never won a ground war.

It's not about gaining real estate, it's about killing/defeating the enemy. Once defeated, real estate gains come easy.

 

Did they not teach common sense while you were there?

 

Unoccupied enemy territory is still.... enemy territory.

 

Common sense, thermodynamics, fluid mechanics, electro mechanical field theory, tactics, strategy, weapons, physics, communications, leadership, map reading, jumping out of aircraft, OPORDS, ... they taught lots of stuff.
COURAGE AND DRIVE! '75!!

 

Mac has become a "business man"....on YT....just like Ritter.

As I said....some good cash to be made selling propaganda.

 

Cold War West Point thinking is what ukraine used in the big summer offensive last year. They're all dead.

 

Yes Sir -- the Good Douglas MacGregor is a decorated Military Commander Wiki him .. and prepare to be impressed .. but what is more impressive than his credentials is that he has been nailing it time after time throughout this war .. The man has Sources... and his sources and analysis have been accurate.

Don't let the peddlers of Pravda.Ukraine fool you .. they have consistently gotten it wrong.

Needs to be a lie .. for there to be propaganda Zoomie .. and unlike your sources .. who have been consistently wrong .. 100% of the time when opposed to the perspective of MacGregor .. Mac Daddy has consistently nailed it throughout this war .. .. causing fits of raging denial on the part of the "Orc Orc" cheer team but, this is how it goes when the necessary illusion bubble gets popped .. and speaking of your friend Ritter -- he has had a rather good track record of getting it right as well .. unlike the western media propaganda show ..

and hey .... we now have the western Media confirming what Mac and Rit been saying for long time now .. Ukraine out of Human Capital .. out of Ammo .. and abandoned by Genocide Joe for the time being -- but they have little ability to help at this point in any case .. all the artillery they are able to send over are already being sent over .. the funding should it ever pass .. not going to increase the amount of artillery coming from the west.. which is brutal .. The Ukrainian Artilleryman saying they did not receive a single shell for 4 weeks...

This is just disaster .. but this was been told to you months ago by the Prophet .. telling you what gonna happen in the future yet like the Israelites fresh out of Egypt .. they see the miracle with own eyes .. but yet still turn their face from God ...

 

Gluecksritter
This one is for you, kannste in Deutsch or with English under title.
Marcus Keupp about Russia industrial strength.

Wie stark sind die russischen Reserven? | ZDFheute live (youtube.com)

 

"they've got to draw in their horns and stop their aggression, or we're going to bomb them back into the stone age. And we would shove them back into the stone age with air power or naval power—not with ground forces".

Curtis LeMay, the Chief of Staff of the USAF during the Vietnam war.

 

No war has ever been won from the air without the use of nuclear weapons.

"I don't have to tell you who won the war. The Artillery did."... George Patton

"I came to Kuwait with fifty-two tanks. After one hundred days of Coalition bombing, I had fifty. After twenty minutes fighting American M1 Tanks... I had none.".... Iraqi Tank Battalion Commander.

The mission of the Field Artillery: "To kill the godless enemy btards by the thousands, rearrange terrain, and make cave dwelling an acceptable standard of living in the homelands of our enemies."

"Unoccupied enemy territory is still... ENEMY TERRITORY."