Kids' gender clinic whistleblower "regretful patients begged to 'have body parts put back on'"

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  1. balancing act

    balancing act Well-Known Member

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    I don't know, I did not do any research on this particular issue, but only offered my observance on the Dr Phil show in general.
    There may be no way to verify what they said or claimed, or at least without great difficulty and access to medical records or people involved, who I assume remained unnamed.
     
  2. yardmeat

    yardmeat Well-Known Member

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    Lol? Cop out? You guys are the ones denying 99/99% of these experiences when they don't align with your desired narrative. Cute. Meanwhile, this case worker, who wasn't actually a medical professional, has had her stories contradicted by medical professionals who work at the clinic, patients from the clinic, and the parents of patients at the clinic. All of whom you ignore because they challenge the anti-trans narrative. But I'll let you get back to pretending to care. It's as adorable as it is pathetic.
     
  3. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You referenced two articles, one by a Pride Media and the other by NPR, and you have the audacity to paint anybody else's references as questionable?
     
  4. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't even think you read the biased articles.

    Specifically, what do they dispute?
     
  5. yardmeat

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    I referenced more than 2, and the articles had comments from the people I mentioned. None of which you care about because you only fake caring about this stuff. The people referenced in these articles include medical professionals, patients, and parents of patients who refute the lying sack of **** you are worshipping. Care to embarass yourself any further or are you just going to admit that the facts don't matter to you, only anti-trans hate.
     
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    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And more cop out and redirect.

    You're so predictable.
     
  7. yardmeat

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    I've provided. Read if you care to. You won't. You don't care about the facts. Only anti-trans hate.
     
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    This isn’t a “report” — it’s an opinion

    Conflating the two items is the only thing “weak” here.
     
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    Wow, pats on the back to Dr. Phil for actually broadcasting this. He may be cast out over this by the left.
     
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    Surfer Joe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You can be sure that the op is Russian propaganda farm bullshit designed to foment culture wars, and maga falls for it every time.
     
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    Surfer Joe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Opinions are usually more heartfelt. This crap is just more bullshit peddled by maga trying to own the libs.
     
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    They're children who are in need of help going to adults. Their brains aren't fully developed. They don't know any better.
     
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    So now you are saying we should deny all medical care to all children? Or just the medical care you don't like? At least you aren't even pretending to care about what the doctors have to say, unlike some people here who fake it.
     
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    Some people consider castration and genital mutilation to be medical care, but it can also be medical malpractice when done on children who have trouble figuring out who their favorite Pokemon is. The science supporting this is murky, at best. And calling it murky is extremely generous. There's studies that show most of these kids who have gender nonconformity when they're children grow out of it when they become adults. That means most of the time you remove a penis or perform other forms of genital mutilation on children you're setting them up for a lifetime of mental distress to alleviate temporary distress as children. There's a good chance the idea of removing a child's reproductive organs because they had a temporary mental health condition is going to be looked at in the future with similar disdain as lobotomies.

    https://cass.independent-review.uk/home/publications/final-report/
     
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    The people who actually study the science disagree. And no one is removing the penis of children. Please stop making up bull ****.
     
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    From the NY Times, discussing the same clinic,

    Etc. They say many of Reed's claims have been confirmed.
     
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    DAMN stop grossly twisting and manipulating what people say.

    Nobody said this or implied it.

    Should life altering elective surgery be performed on kids who's brains are fully developed enough to make these decision?.....the answer is almost always the same....'hell no it shouldn't'.

    Why do you have such a problem with kids waiting until they're adults to make adult decisions regarding elective medical procdures.
     
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    Read the report I linked. The NIH reviewed the science to provide guidance. Their conclusion is that the "science" supporting your position is flawed.

     
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    That was, indeed, the implication based on the position offered. They are too young to decide, and their parents and doctors can't be trusted to help make that decision.
     
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    Yes. I reviewed the opinion piece. How is it superior to the opinions of all of the other medical professionals and patients and guardians?
     
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    LOL. Explain to me how you can identify which kid with gender dysphoria will continue having gender dysphoria beyond adolescence. You can't. Most will grow out of it and we have no reliable means of knowing which ones will. So cutting off their penis seems a bit extreme in my book. And as I said, I believe there's a good chance that we look back on people cutting off children's penises due to temporary adolescent dysphoria the same way we look back at lobotomies. Until the science is better understood and we can better identify individuals who will have long term gender nonconformity it seems like too big of a risk that is driven by social justice warrior types and not by those who embrace science. And we know the people promoting this don't actually care about the science or the harm because they keep attempting to silence and deplatform the detransitioners. If they cared about getting the science right they would embrace their stories and want to learn from them rather than sweep them under the rug as an acceptable causality to the trans movement.
     
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    Trans and gender dysphoria are not the same thing. Research shows that gender affirming care is overwhelmingly a good thing for these kids. The ones who change their mind are extremely rare and are almost always due to mistreatment. And, again, you aren't telling the truth when you talk about "cutting off their penis." Try being honest.
     
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    That's right, no one's privates are being removed, good catch.
     
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    Not only is it not happening, but they immediately try to make it sexual when they talk about it or anything else involving trans kids. It is DEEPLY disturbing to see how eager they are to sexualize kids like this. It's happened in the thread. Any time I support trans kids, they start talking about sexualizing them. WTF.
     
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    But let’s force them to give birth lol
     
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