Democrats look to strip Secret Service protection from Trump if he's convicted

Irrelevant to the topic

Biden IS the government and promotes abortion, has been doing so in Florida the last couple days. Devout Catholics believe its only gods role to decide the outcome of a life, applying both to abortion and death penalty. To encourage, promote, "champion" people who kill their fetus/ future baby is completely against what being a catholic is.

Irrelevant to the topic

 

I’ve never seen Biden encourage or promote abortions. Or are saying not wanting something illegal is the same as advocating for it?

 

It IS the topic.

President Biden is NOT the Government and he is for women's right's to choose. If personally confronted he would chose no for himself.

Link? Be specific.

Are you Catholic? Because I was raise Catholic and know personally that American Catholics have felt free to pick and choose how they follow their faith and have had that attitude since my childhood.

That's not what President Biden is doing, he recognizes the Constitution takes no stance on Religion or the specific policy of A religion. But, that the Constitution protects everyone's rights equally, under the law.

Catholics are Christian, of course Jesus's teaching's are relevant.

 

Wrong

LMAO

Google is your friend

Yes

Then you weren't raised in a catholic church

Doesn't excuse him unfortunately but that's between him and God at the end of the day. Like Peter Parker's uncle said - With great power comes great responsibility.

Correct

How so to the current discussion?

 

No, RIGHT; YOU made it the topic.

You're laughing at yourself?

No, your challenge, your responsibility for proof.

Then you should know American Chatholics view religion as a smorgasbord and have ALL of my 73 years.

Unfortunately, I AbsaByGodLutely was.

BINGO!!!

True.

Jesus would have understanding for women and support our Constitution's separation of Church and State.

"Give unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and to God that which is God's".

 

Jesus supports "separation of church and state" because he doesn't want government to influence religion, not because he doesn't want religion to influence government.

 

I love when you people claim to speak for god.
Shows just what type of individual we are dealing with.

 

IF that's true, and lets say it is for arguments sake. Though I think you're being extremely presumptuous daring to speak for Jesus.

It looks to me, then, that Jesus and the founders went at the same problem from different perspectives to arrive at the same place.

 

My mistake. I thought Jesus wanted us to choose him, not to have his teachings mandated by govt.

 

Well, freeeeedddoooommmmmm.........

 

Pretty much what I said...lol

 

Trump ain’t going to jail, even if convicted, the most severe sentence would be some kind of home arrest, which Trump would find a way to include NYC, Florida, and his golf courses

And Fox framed the proposal, not directly stripping Secret Service protection, and bigger question would be why SS would be needed given prisons have their own enforcement agencies

 

You people reside in the bizarro world, even if Trump were convicted, he ain’t going to prison, at the very worse he’ll be put under home arrest, home being NYC, Florida, one of the golf resorts, or even a combination

You got to turn the channel every now and then

 

I'm not speaking FOR God. God speaks for himself...

Romans 13

1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.
3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended.
4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.
5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.
6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing.
7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.
8 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law.
9 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”
10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
11 And do this, understanding the present time: The hour has already come for you to wake up from your slumber, because our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed.
12 The night is nearly over; the day is almost here. So let us put aside the deeds of darkness and put on the armor of light.
13 Let us behave decently, as in the daytime, not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and debauchery, not in dissension and jealousy.
14 Rather, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and do not think about how to gratify the desires of the flesh.

Do you see any inference to the government influencing religion? No, but you see plenty about religion influencing government.

 

I've been saying that all along. Funny how y'all have to repeat what we (Conservatives) say, just so you can be right...lol

 

Not what “conservatives” are saying if you read or listen to the right wing media

 

It’s fascinating you can read those passages and come up with you think Jesus wants religious control of government

I mean that is to be expected from you people — you twist words written by other men to your own desires in order to push an agenda that would otherwise fall flat on its face when looked at through a perspective of logic and reasoning.

There are tons of passages about obeying man’s law because the entire book is about control. Which is why their is a literal King that edited the most popular version.

 

I never said "control". I said "influence". It's NOT surprising that you would take my comment out of context. Speaking of "twisting words". Hmm?

 

Wow! I'm not a bible scholar, obviously. But thank you very much for the above list that supports my position that the bible was codified at the council of Nicaea for the express purpose of making men subservient to rulers. At the behest of Constantine under the auspicious of unifying the Church he made the bible a play book he could rule by. His motivation was to cement his position as ruler, legitimizing his rule and power through church doctrine.

If you say that's the jaded version of how the bible came to be, I would agree. But also point out, without line item-ing your post, that every line of scripture you've quoted and every word of the bible reinforces the Ruler and his Government as legitimized by God. Or, legitimized, by god!

Which is anathema to American thought on governing. OUR government gets it's power from the people it governs. God and religion have their place in society but EVERY religion and every man has the right to choose his how worship is done. And it must be done without power to influence Government and Governing.

I believe there IS a GOD, but I find all religion at odds with mans innate freedoms of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I shun all religion and find that keeping a place in my heart for GOD and I walk with in the beautiful mountains of my home State; Colorado. I don't need a building to find GOD. GOD finds me ... wherever I am.

 

Subservient to rulers? No. You're not getting it.
2 Peter 13-17
13 Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human authority: whether to the emperor, as the supreme authority,
14 or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right.
15 For it is God’s will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish people.
16 Live as free people, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as God’s slaves.
17 Show proper respect to everyone, love the family of believers, fear God, honor the emperor.

 

People like that same nut who tried to assassinate Brett Kavanaugh but was too scared to do it lol. There’s definitely more than one of those types of people in this country

 

Unfortunately not, as insanely reiterated in the SCOTUS despite the fact that Congress has extra-judicial authority, it’s not bound to the rules established in the courts because get this: It’s a political trial!

I find it absolutely ludicrous and beyond all logical thinking that a body with any judicial power at all not be held to the same standard but that’s what the court reaffirmed.

It’s the new Korematsu and Dred Scott. It won’t be replaced in our lifetime but give it 30 years and this court will revisit it

 

I got it a long time ago in my youth. Religion, of any brand, is a machine to control men's minds.

 

Did you not state about JFK that "the Catholics never abandoned him either. Going to parochial school we always said a prayer for him in first period and alway on sunday mass." ? So, when I mention Biden's religious observances, suddenly the Catholics are nothing but pedophile harborers?

Does your head spin around when you flip-flop like that?

 

No I did not state that. You're confusing me with someone else.