To anybody who believes the Hamas-Israel protests are two-dimensional...

"Legislative elections were held in the Palestinian territories on 25 January 2006 in order to elect the second Palestinian Legislative Council (PLC), the legislature of the Palestinian National Authority (PNA). The result was a victory for Hamas, contesting under the list name of Change and Reform, which received 44.45% of the vote and won 74 of the 132 seats, whilst the ruling Fatah received 41.43% of the vote and won 45 seats.[1]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Palestinian_legislative_election#:~:text=Article,Seats

Unless I missed something, your link confirms the amount of civilians killed but doesn't say anything about being accused of genocide. It DOES say that there were a lot of excuses for why civilians were bombed.

And I'll say it again that you and agree on most things. This is not one of them. We will have to agree to disagree.

 

But semantics matter, Golem. "Casualties of war", unfortunately, always includes civilians. In our two most recent wars, Iraq and Afghanistan, the U.S. military, with its very accurate and smart weapons, took pains to avoid civilian casualties, and yet there were still civilian casualties. We did not commit a genocide, but many civilians were killed. In this war in Gaza, Hamas, those evil degenerates, embeds itself with civilians, and consequently, there are a lot of civilian casualties. They wanted this war, they triggered this war, and they hide among the civilian encampments, residences, and public facilities like hospitals. If they wanted to fight like men instead of lowlifes, they could marshal their fighters and separate from their civilians. But no. Their intent is to stick close to the civilians and have as many of their own civilians die as possible because those deaths are useful as propaganda that useful idiots around the world will swallow hook, line and sinker. Sacrificing your own men, women, and children for their propaganda value has no excuse. It's just plain evil.

Around 1% of Gaza's civilians have died in this war. That is not a genocide by the Israelis. Claiming that 1% civilian casualties constitutes a "genocide" is either plain stupid or it's a deliberate lie.

 

Lmao, you had to run run run away from all you didn't know

So now you want to.use Bushy How many years did the Great Mr, Obatard play commander and chief?

But I suppose you think Bushy was President some 19 years lmfao..

You really should stick to current news like Orange man bad

So what's next, another Democrat warmonger an his lil proxy war with Russia, how many years so far for this idiot..

 

Your denial of Zionist genocide is as predictable as it is false.
Individuals who actually study genocide regard Netanyahu's systematic extermination as a genocide. (1)

Israel's Defense Minister even admitted:

“We are imposing a complete siege on Gaza. No electricity, no food, no water, no fuel. Everything is closed. We are fighting human animals, and we will act accordingly.” Yoav Gallant

The Holodomor, carried out by Ginrikh Yagoda, Leonid Reichman and other Communist Jews (2) also committed genocide by starvation and denying their victims life sustaining supplies.

Israel's Agriculture Minister, Avi Dickter, was even more specific about the genocidal intent of the Netanyahu regime when he said:
“We are now rolling out the Gaza Nakba,”

The Nakba remains one of the more heinous genocides of the 20th century to even the most casual student of history.




(1). “A Textbook Case of Genocide”

“Israel has been explicit about what it’s carrying out in Gaza. Why isn’t the world listening?”

https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide

EXCERPT "But the assault on Gaza can also be understood in other terms: as a textbook case of genocide unfolding in front of our eyes. I say this as a scholar of genocide, who has spent many years writing about Israeli mass violence against Palestinians. I have written about settler colonialism and Jewish supremacy in Israel, the distortion of the Holocaust to boost the Israeli arms industry, the weaponization of antisemitism accusations to justify Israeli violence against Palestinians, and the racist regime of Israeli apartheid. “ CONTINUED



(2). "Stalin's Jews"

"We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish"

https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

EXCERPT "And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people.

In 1934, according to published statistics, 38.5 percent of those holding the most senior posts in the Soviet security apparatuses were of Jewish origin. They too, of course, were gradually eliminated in the next purges.

Many Jews sold their soul to the devil of the Communist revolution and have blood on their hands for eternity. We'll mention just one more: Leonid Reichman, head of the NKVD's special department and the organization's chief interrogator, who was a particularly cruel sadist."CONTINUED

 

Definitely pure evil! Let us know if you think of something to say about the topic of this thread. I very much doubt it but... the doors are open.

 

The numbers come from several sources. 30K is the most credible. But, again, not worth wasting too much time because ANY reasonable number you want to use is GENOCIDE.

But here is what is interesting. Look at the argument pro-Netanyahu use to defend him: the meaning of the word "genocide", or where the number of victims comes from, or "Hamas is evil", or similar lame arguments... is CLEAR indication that they have no REAL arguments to defend his policies.

Yeah.... Because people here don't know that happened.

See what I mean? THAT is the only kind of arguments they can come up with. Can you see the nonsense? The fact that this is the only type of arguments they can come up with to defend Netanyahu's policies give great credibility to those who protest against them.

 

Yes. Those were the elections I mentioned. However, they were not Presidential elections. Hamas simply took power.

In any case, I say again: NONE of that justifies genocide.

Hundreds of thousand killed is genocide. If it were a few hundred killed that's what I call genocide. But it makes no difference what you want to call it. The killing goes on. And that's what protesters are out on the street about.

I was expecting in this forum better arguments against the protests than debating the meaning of the word "genocide" or "Palestinians voted for Hamas almost 20 years ago" or similar inanities to defend Netanyahu's actions. Looks like I'm not going to get anything better. So I guess the conclusion HAS to be that the protesters are right, and Netanyahu is wrong.

 

No! Thousands of dead civilians matter. This is preventable, and Israel has done very little to prevent them. THAT is what these people are protesting against, and that is what we should be debating. Not whether you agree to call it "genocide" or "killings" or "a stroll in the park"

The fact that those who defend Netanyahu's position to not consider a two-state solution only want to debate inanities like semantics means that there are NO arguments to defend Netanyahu's policies. Which means that the protesters are right!

I went to all the trouble in the OP to separate bigots and antisemites from the REAL protesters who demand we stop funding the slaughter and demand a two-state solution, because I thought that was the road people who strayed from the topic would take. I never considered somebody would actually focus on .... semantics!

 

what an epic fail

“it’s genocide because the defense minister talked tough way back when therefore 1% dead civilians is like omg total genocide”.

Lol! words don’t commit genocide. They’re just vibrations through the air

 

What’s up Golem? I see you still both believe use of the word “Genocide” matters and therefore you repeat it in every single post like you’re being paid to do so while simultaneously believing it doesn’t matter therefore no one should care about you using it.



Either the word matters or it doesn’t so pick one and stick to it. You might have no clue still what the word means and are too busy copy pasting it ad nauseum to bother looking it up but the least you can do is to stop being a walking talking contradiction about it towards other posters.

wouldn’t that be nice buddy?

 

You have provided no alternative for Israel's survival given that Hamas intentionally uses Palestinians as human shields.

 

You quoted mi writing:

You did great job – you castrated my sentence almost as good as CNN and MSNBC castrates Trump speeches.
What I actually wrote was “As usual – you wrote fantastic propaganda piece for poorly educated.”.

I already wrote about the topic of the thread, but it looks you forgot it, so let me repeat major points:

Yes, for poorly educated it is just coincidence that students started protests and accusation of Israelis committing genocide BEFORE Israel responded to Hamas OCT 7 murdering, raping and kidnapping Israeli civilians:
https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2023/10/15/gaza-protest-harvard/

Why murdering Israeli civilians Harvard students do not consider genocide? For poorly educated the answer gave Claudine Gay – "Jewish lives depends on context".

Golem:

Yes, poorly educated don’t know that the same slogan uses Hamas, explaining in its chapter the great plan of replacing democratic Israel with fundamental Muslim state there women, gays, lesbians, atheists and apostates will be free according to Sharia laws:

 

Run away? Run away from what? But I'm glad you can laugh when you've been proven wrong.

WT actual F are you talking about?

He is. Very

When someone feels the need to change the subject you know they have lost.

 

Absolutely! If you start a post talking about me instead of addressing the point I'm making... not only do I not quote it. Most of the time I don't even READ it.

I don't think I ever READ that part. But insulting the people who read my posts isn't going to help either.

I don't know the details. But I understand that students would be aware of what might be Netanyahu's knee-jerk reaction. So they wanted to avert the genocide BEFORE it started. Turns out the were right, didn't it? Not bad for folks you consider "poorly educated". Too bad they failed.

I would consider it genocide. But WE didn't finance Hamas. So the protests in the U.S. are against those who we DO finance.

The slogan has been used by many since it was popularized in the 1960s. Even the Israeli Likud Party has used it. In this case, the use is addressed in the OP.

 

So you can't even see the time lines when thier linked lmao..

So I guess the answer to your questing would be NOTHING I nor pilot or government historians/timeliness can bring you up to speed

 

Emphasis mine. That's literally a call for genocide. That's LITERALLY what that means.
This would be like someone saying "when I said 'kill all the jews' I meant with kindness".
Its entirely disingenuous.

 

The only thing I have heard from protesters is that it's a call for peaceful coexistence. If you can provide a quote from anybody of consequence in this movement saying that it's a call for genocide, do provide a quote.

 

Yeah its LITERALLY Hamas' slogan, on their own flag, and according to Hamas it means wipe out the entire nation of israel and push anyone who resists into the sea.

 

MANY groups have used that slogan. Even Israeli groups. It does NOT belong to Hamas.

In fact, it belongs to the PLO. They originated it (or popularized it). The PLO is the group that represents Palestinians in the UN and is seeking a peaceful solution.

 

After reading your post, I realized I made a huge mistake. Of course, the best way to start a discussion is when we don’t know the details of when a student protest started.

You convinced me – everyone knows that when a terrorist group attacked Israel, murdering, raping, and kidnapping, the proper way is NOT to condemn the murdering, raping, and kidnapping done terrorists, but to condemn the future response of Israel - in order to prevent genocide. Because everyone knows that murdering, raping, and kidnapping Jews is not genocide; it depends on the context. But the response to punish terrorists is a perfect example of genocide.

If Mexico attacked the US, murdering, raping, and kidnapping US citizens, claiming it wants back territories Mexico lost in the American-Mexico war, the proper response would be to accuse the US of genocide, before the US responds, of course, in order to prevent genocide.

And because you don’t know that the US, along with other countries, financed Hamas by financing UNRWA and USAID (from 2006, Hamas has been the sole ruler of Gaza), you are absolutely right that a student organization has no obligation to condemn Hamas' murders, rapes, and kidnappings, only to protest against Israeli actions, even before they started.

And because you are not aware that "From the river to the sea…" is a slogan written in Hamas' charter, there is nothing wrong with chanting this slogan.

BTW – I didn’t know that Likud used slogan “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free”, but I trust you that you know better.

We know that "calling for the genocide of Jews" does not violate the code of conduct or rules regarding bullying and harassment, because it depends on the context. So, for sure, chanting "from the river to the sea" means... not sure what, but for sure, it means freedom given by Sharia law, especially for women, gays, lesbians, atheists, and apostates.

Now I think we agree 100%

 

It's genocide that our government doesn't fund. It would be idiotic for students to protest demanding that our government stop funding Hamas genocide when it DOESN'T fund Hamas genocide. On the other hand, our government DOES fund Netanyahu's genocide.

You are simply not understanding what the protests are about.

UNRWA is a UN fund for Palestinian REFUGEES. USAID is a fund to promote in Palestine a two-state solution

Clearly you have NO clue what you're talking about.

 

Again: Its literally on Hamas' flag, and is their slogan.

 

Again: it's the PLO's slogan. It was their slogan way before Hamas existed. And the PLO is actively seeking a two-state solution.

So it can mean support for Hamas, or support for the PLO's efforts. Completely opposite sides of the issue.

I find it odd that people think protesters support Hamas by SAYING they support the PLO. I can only explain it by them being DESPERATE to find ways to justify the slaughter of Palestinians but can find no arguments.

 

Again: It is literally Hamas's slogan. The PLO? Isn't under attack and needing support. What they are protesting against and demanding, is that the nation of Israel be pushed into the sea.

 

Yes!! The PLO!!! You never heard of them? Well, that shows how much research you have yet to do. Please start by reading my sig!

In the rest of your post you just repeat a right wingnut-media talking point with... not even with no basis... but which is REBUTTED by the evidence. Believing that demanding a two-state solution is demanding that Israel be pushed to the sea is exactly as absurd as it sounds. But believing dumb things comes natural to long-time Fox viewers, of course.