To anybody who believes the Hamas-Israel protests are two-dimensional...

... they're not!

I have tried to read about the protests, and any SERIOUS contributions would be welcome. But from what I have seen, most of the protests against Israel killing civilians in Gaza are just that: protests against Israel killing civilians in Gaza. Period!

There are also antisemitic protests. We know the extreme right is antisemitic. And I'm sure there are elements of misguided people who might actually support the terrorists. Seems weird... But not too much more weird than people supporting Trump.

In any case, it's not two-dimensional. There are people who RIGHTLY protest for the genocide of Palestinian people. I don't know if the ones who propagate antisemitism are actual students. I remember when WE protested Viet Nam... we were accused of being communists. And there WERE communists who protested. But, at least in MY experience, they were a tiny minority. I wonder if this is what is happening in university campuses today.

"From the river to the sea..." They DO use that slogan. But they have insisted it does NOT mean eradicate Israel. They explain it's a call for peaceful coexistence of Israelis and Palestinians. Now... if it MEANT they want to eradicate Israel, wouldn't denying it defeat the purpose?

As for interrupting academic life.... yeah... not cool, I guess. But I can't help it. I LIKE to see students again taking a stance. NOT any antisemitism. But defending the lives of civilians is very much worthwhile.

Oh... and yes. Israel WAS attacked. And they deserve to see the attackers punished. But genocide is NOT the way to achieve that. Genocide is only going to create MORE terrorists. Netanyahu needs to resign NOW. Along with thousands of innocent Palestinians, he's going to get his own hostages killed.

 

I remember just a few months back, another poster on here tried to challenge me because even though I said Israel has a right to defend itself, I did not trust Netanyahu. Once again, reality has a serious bent that righties cannot seem to grasp.

 

I agree

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That slogan has always meant to eradicate Israel. They can SAY it's a call for "peaceful coexistence" but that's like saying "Sieg Heil" means the same thing.

That's what IDF is doing.

Did the Holocaust create more Jews?

 

Yes.

 

What would be the purpose of saying that "Sieg Heil" meant peaceful coexistence? They're just words. They are important if they mean something. Altering their meaning would render them useless.

It produced a lot of people who hated Nazis. That's what Netanyahu is creating. Thousands of people who hate Israel because "Israel" killed their... mom, dad, sister, brother... who had NOTHING to do with Hamas. Prime material to be the future terrorists. And we're back to square one.

 

Sure
If you say so.

 

That's my point

 

Not really, its a stupid answer to a stupid question.

 

But they DO have to do with Hamas. They elected them. They kept them. They did not fight them.

 

I have absolutely no idea what benefit students advocating for anything on issues on which they know nothing about is a good thing.

School should be for school. Not advocacy. Students are morons, as all young people are, that’s why they’re going to school. If they already knew how the world worked there’d be no need for them to be raised by their parents and educated.

 

I really thought you were more logical than that. Guess I was wrong. The question was just a logical one.

 

Students brought about the end of the Vietnam War and got the vote for the 18 year olds that were being sent there.

 

Since its liberal students chanting "DEATH TO AMERICA and attacking jewish students its pretty arrogant of Golem to declare that "extreme right" are anti semetic.

 

True...while all MAGA aren't anti-semites, most anti-semites are MAGA.

 

We seem to have forgot that Hamas imbedded themselves in Gaza for both protection and so that Israel would be blamed for Palestinian deaths. They believed most people would turn against Israel and that is exactly what has happened. The choice for Israel is simple, continue trying to get rid of Hamas with resultant Palestinian deaths or allow Israel to be defeated forever. Israel is pursuing the only choice they have to insure their own survival.

 

You'll have to source your claim.

 

No idea what your point is.

 

Shooting back at an enemy that chooses to use its own citizens as shields in not genocide. Or against an enemy that broke ever law of war and humanity or kidnap non-combatants. They have demonstrated themselves to be sub-human animals. They deserve everything they're getting.

An interesting Law of War concept embodied in the Geneva Conventions and other Laws of War is that combatants must were distinctive uniforms and carry they weapons in full visibility; and I understand that Hamas is not a signatory to any convention but Israel and IMHO are doing the best they can given their objectives.

 

It's hard to tell, given how media reports things, but it seems like the demonstrations involve fairly small numbers of students, faculty, and hangers on.

Back in October the demonstrations were pro-Israel. As time has gone on, the balance has shifted so that they are mostly pro-Palestine. This shift is no doubt one of the things that is most disconcerting to the media and the political establishment.

What is Really Going On At Columbia?
https://slate.com/human-interest/20...ts-presidents-jewish-students-encampment.html

Is Columbia In Crisis?
https://www.columbiaspectator.com/opinion/2024/04/18/is-columbia-in-crisis/

 

Not anymore. Not that MAGA were ever really antisemitic. Kinda weird that people who supposedly IDOLIZE Trump, and HATE JEWS, don't take issue with a bunch of people in his family being Jewish? You don't find that odd? Weird? Strange? Or more accurately you're just screaming crazy and making **** up.

 

Really?
Do you remember posting this:

 

So? Not sure what your point is. Is it that they deserve to be slaughtered because they elected Hamas almost 20 years ago?

Of course that's not what you mean! That would be idiotic! But then, what DO you mean?

 

You are confused. The protests are not about Israel shooting at Hamas. They're about indiscriminately killing people who have NOTHING to do with Hamas

 

Do you remember making a point? No, because you didn’t make one.

Learn how to make points. I could make it for you but then you’d do what they all do and start whining about how “whaaaa that’s not what I said!”

 

Yes, you do but you think it's "idiotic".
Look, you and I agree on most things and I understand your point about innocent people but where does innocence end and complicity begins?