[Supreme] Court allows Idaho to generally enforce ban on gender-transition care for minors

What if they want to smoke cigarettes or you have tattoos or have sex with adults and the parents are okay that's just fine?

The problem is this is abuse. When you lie to a kid and tell them this will affirm whatever gender crap you make up that's a lie it will not. And then to proceed with this anti-care is brutalizing a child to play patty cake with some idea that is cognitive dissonance at best.

Humans can't change their sex so any attempt to do that to a child should be prosecuted.

You don't just get to do whatever you want to your kids you can't have sex with them you can't make them smoke cigarettes you can't throw them off of cliffs that's not okay.

 

It's a good thing when I was a kid and believed I was a pirate my parents didn't amputate my right leg below the knee and put a peg on it and poke out my left eye, although I still think a parrot on my shoulder would be kinda cool.

 

It's just not reality because they HAVE to make life-changing decisions. Conservatives are not at all consistent on this. They can't make life-changing decisions, yet they can be charged for a heinous crime as an adult? They can't make life-changing decisions, yet can get pregnant? It's just all bullshit that changes with whatever moral authoritarianism you want to impose. Frankly, most legal adults aren't competent to make life-changing decisions either, especially for other people.

 

Some minors turn to crime because they can't make good life altering decisions. I stand by what I said.

 

Were your parents that stupid/ weird; idiotic?? Why don’t you look up how often this occurs because the incidence is a fraction of teen pregnancy

 

Read my post again. I said it's a good thing my parents DIDN'T.....Any parent that permits gender surgery on a child should be locked up along with the surgeon for child abuse.

 

If your parents didn’t then why would other parents? Now what would you do if you had a child born in the 1.5% of children who are intersex/have DSD? A physiological anomaly where sexual development is abnormal. Do you want to go back to the days when boy babies born with undescended testes and micropenis were “reassigned” as female post birth or would you rather medical intervention waits until the child is of age?

https://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1015520-overview?form=fpf

 

OOOOh. Condescension alert.

 

That's cool. Treatments that have permanent effects (like surgery) on minors are very rare, so the law doesn't do much in that sense. In the other hand, maybe such decisions should be between the kid and the parents, rather than the government.

 

Almost everything federal government does is beyond its constitutional powers. No surprise there.

 

There are a ton of laws on the books that impact "very rare" behavior.

 

Sounds like you argue that "the more, the better".

 

Dixon you removed my comments out of their actual context. I have made it clear that certain people may kill themselves or harm themselves if they do not change their gender.

In fact the whole point of what I wrote to you and Kreo was to challenge your simplistic generalizations precisely because of how you describe sex change operations as "mutilation" and misrepresent the information.

With respect the "alleged" Swedish study does not prove your point if for no other reason its not conclusive, i.e., it can not and never claimed to say the depression and suicidal ideations leading to the deaths never pre-existed prior to the gender change and so may have happened anyways regardless of the operation. More studies have to be done.

No one least of all the people administering the sex changes deny certain patients experience serious psychiatric reactions or confusion that COULD lead to suicide both BEFORE and/or after they engage in the change.

This is why I said its a serious issue not taken likely by the physicians.

They have to weigh the pros and cons of increase in possible suicide ideation after these operations because he hormones given in these changes causes severe mood swings and so increased suicidal ideation yes.

Yes its a risk factor I never denied. What I did say is to call it an extinction of the human species is hyperbole and would not make sense considering some might indeed kill themselves without this surgery. I would never argue it does not in certain people increase their suicidal tendencies after their operation.

By the way you probably were referring to this (Danish) not Swedish study:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/28/health/transgender-suicide-risk/index.html

Please I would never suggest a blanket statement people do not increase specific risks due to this surgery which is why I told you its not a decision people make lightly nor should they.

Be careful jumping to conclusions because here is one that says the opposite:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10027312/

Here is the wording out of the above I caution you with:

"There is a need for continued research in suicidality outcomes following gender-affirming treatment that adequately controls for the presence of psychiatric comorbidity and treatment, substance use, and other suicide risk-enhancing and reducing factors. There is also a need for future systematic reviews given the inherent limitations of a narrative review. There may be implications on the informed consent process of gender-affirming treatment given the current lack of methodological robustness of the literature reviewed."

Right now no doctor thinks gender change is of no concern to increase in suicide. It always is. They weigh each individual's psychological profile in regards to this.

I myself have always been conservative and argue err on the side of caution which is precisely the point of puberty blockers which again you miss. The reason for using puberty blockers is precisely to try prevent someone's body entering into puberty to give them extra time to work with their psychiatrist oin their body issues to make sure the decision to change gender is the right one for the individual. It buys extra time to discuss the concerns precisely because once someone does reach puberty or finishes it, trying to reverse the effects is very problematic.

In summary by delaying puberty psychiatrists have more time to work with the patient to try avoid the operation if its possible.

You missed that point with due respect and assume I deny its a high risk in regards to psychiatric negative issues. Psychiatric issues as a result of gender dysphoria to not go away once someone changes. They are counseled that for the rest of their lives they have to take hormones whose side effects amplify existing depression, anxiety, suicide ideation.

If you were to actually read the literature on it and how the decision is made and the comments of people who have had the operation you will see for many, the choice of remaining in the gender they were born it was more problematic then the side effects of their change. For others they say they did not give sufficient time to consider the side effects and that is precisely why the medical professionals are trying to slow down the decision when possible to give people, more time to weigh the pros and cons.

I repeat it again, accepting who we are in the body we are born is the ideal choice. For some it is not. Why it would be your concern for them I do not know. They are not leading a revolution to cut your balls off.

 

Maybe he thinks your parents are weird because you didnt get your leg and eye removed.
And agree. 75% of kids who believe they are transgendered, simply lose those feelings without any medical intervention. Crazy to just assume they are in the 25%. Even more crazy before puberty to put them on puberty blockers. Nothing like the process of puberty to clear up any gender confusion. Its almost as if the Drs? Parents? want to prevent that from happening.
AND way too many former transgendered kids lose those feelings and simply identify as homosexual. Remenber watching an interview of that Jazz transgendered girl on TV. All kinds of complications from bottom surgeries, pain, surgeries to correct the first surgeries. Interviewer asked her where she finds the courage. Jazz says she doesnt care about any of that as long as it works....... Not works giving birth. Not works passing the uterine lining monthly but works at taking a dick.

 

Agree. When a female has surgery to become a male it's called an addadictomy.

 

Ive read that a small percentage of Female to male transgenders ever do the surgically create a dick process. usually just the top surgery. The trans masculine. They identify and present as masculine, but dont necessarily identify as male and the cosmetic surgery dick I hear is difficult and not too effective. usually involves large patch of skin taken from a leg, with failures requiring a second patch of skin to try again.

 

Might I suggest rather than pass on what you have read without source, like claims of dick processes or 75% of people changing their mind (which are in fact your subjective presentations projected on transgendered people to suit your biases on the subject) you provide sources.

Better still and you miss the point-you don't have a female to male "dick" nor do you have gender dysphoria nor do you speak with professional expertise as a physician or mental health professional-how about you understand how that limits your perspective.

I repeat it again you and I should not speak for people with gender dysphoria. When I write, I only repeat what I was trained in graduate school and I have never claimed to be an expert let alone speak for gender dysphoric persons. I can't. I am here to debate you because with due respect while I totally respect some of the points you made, I also think you cross over and make too many false claims about gender dysphoria phenomena.

For example where did you get your 75% figure from?

Here are sources I now provide example which is why I would question it as fabricated or false until you at least provide it:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/07/us/us-transgender-2022-survey-reaj/index.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/04/health/transgender-children-identity.html

I again repeat, I do not speak for transgendered or gender dysphoric people. I simply debate to assure they are dehumanized by inaccurate comments based on false myths.

Only such people in the privacy of their doctor[-patient relationship should in my opinion decide on what they do with their body. I use the same argument with abortion. I do not approve or disapprove. I say its a private matter between physician and patient and the rest of us have the right to an opinion but I myself will challenge false myths.

Ideally I would hope anyone making a medical decision can do so in private and without coercion of the state or self appointed moral judges.

Thank you.

 

80% of children who express transgender feelings "spontaneously lose those feelings" over time
01-08-19 Citizen Handouts (L. Lineweaver).pdf (boarddocs.com)

70%–80% of children who report transgender feelings spontaneously lose those feelings after puberty, without any medical treatment.
When Transgender Children Are Harmed by the People Who Intended to Help Them (str.org)

studies from Vanderbilt University and London's Portman Clinic of children who had expressed transgender feelings but for whom, over time, 70%-80% "spontaneously lost those feelings."
votervoice.net/iframes/EAGLE/newsletters/46391

 

Thanks Dixon! I debate you because you make an effort like you just did. Now I can acknowledge where you are coming from as a legitimate opinion I disagree with. Thanks. Respect. I am old fashioned. I like people who back up their opinions like you did. Otherwise I get too personal and I hate doing that. Also we all sound worse than we really are when we debate.

I will let others compare what we both provided. By the way I do not deny people change their minds before, during and after surgery or have doubts. That is the whole point of using puberty blockers which are done prior to puberty-to delay premature decisions for some (not all) while they are at a vulnerable stage where their issues may not be gender dysphoria but other kinds of trauma or identity confusion they need time to deal with.

All I say again is in any medical procedure there are pro's and con's and that ultimately is a decision for physicians and their patients in privacy and I argue the majority of transgenders did not make their decision lightly and are informed and aware of the risks and pain involved and do not come to their decisions easily but again I only repeat what they told me I can not speak for them.

I hear a new or not so new argument that if a transgender person rejects their original biological identity, why can't an outsider reject their adapted identity for the same reasons?

I am not arguing what Dixon must accept or not accept. Dixon is not my concern. I do not think Dixon will go out and be violent and kill anyone or himself because of his opinions.

I only challenge specific concepts about what goes into the decision making process of the transgender process and what Dixon argues is highly contested and is the other side of the debate which also must be discussed and acknowledged.

We all agree on either side of the debate we do not want people making decisions they come to regret and can not undo.

Thanks for the continuing respectful debate.

 

" (which are in fact your subjective presentations projected on transgendered people to suit your biases on the subject)"

Total disrespect because you didnt take 2 minutes to google the topic and instead made your conclusion based upon nothing more than your subjective views. Evidently a big fan of more people changing their gender.

No puberty blockers are because the Drs know they lose 70-80% of their lifetime patients if they go through puberty. Because there is nothing in the world like puberty to clear up a kids gender confusion.

You should read
The WPATH Files — Environmental Progress
before you continue your campaign.

 

When I think of medical reasons I think of something life threatening. This is more like elective surgery, something like feds paying for boob jobs on demand.

 

No your Danish study was for ALL those who self reported as being transgendered.

"those who identified as trans had 7.7 times the rate of suicide attempts and 3.5 times the rate of suicide deaths than the broader Danish population."

While the Swedish study focused upon those who had undergone genital surgery.

A Swedish study of 324 individuals who had undergone genital surgery between 1973 and 2003 found much higher annual suicide rates: 250 per 100,000 for transmen, 43 times the rate for matched female controls, and 285 for transwomen, 16 times the rate for matched male controls
Suicide by Clinic-Referred Transgender Adolescents in the United Kingdom - PMC (nih.gov)

Thats exactly what you are doing. Youre trading a 3.5 times the regular suicide rate for all those who identify as transgender for a more than 13 times the regular rate for those who undergo surgery. And the really sick part of this is that parents are convinced by being given the choice of a dead by suicide child or a live, medically transitioned child. A BLATANT LIE!