Is abortion really that bad?

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Artythizza, Feb 20, 2011.

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Are you for, or against abortion?

  1. For abortion.

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  2. Against abortion.

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  1. Makedde

    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    A fetus feels no pain when it is aborted. Most abortions take place in the first 9 weeks, the fetus is too underdeveloped to feel a thing.

    And women DO use birth control, but it doesn't always work. That is why we have abortion - it's an emergency birth control, if you will.
     
  2. edy_

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    Now we all understand, you are just not enough informed.
    Any doctor will explain and prove you about the abominable, painful crime of abortion (also you can find plenty of articles on Internet about that pain ...).
     
  3. Makedde

    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    I'm guessing you get your information from pro life sites, correct?
     
  4. edy_

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    Just search "fetus pain during abortion" on Google and read those articles (then you will change your opinion about these crimes).

    Also, when you will have your first child, you will understand what an immense/infinite evil is an abortion (then you will understand what wonderful beings all aborted children could become if they are not killed).

    Of course there are about 1% medical cases of hard diseases, when an abortion may be the only solution to save the woman's life or to prevent the malformed (not viable) pregnancy (but these are very rarely events).
     
  5. Makedde

    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    I have googled that before and there are a lot of bullcrap lifer propaganda sites. I used to fall for that garbage, too.

    I think childbirth is more painful to the mother than abortion is to a fetus.
     
  6. edy_

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    If the medical articles are not enough for you, try looking at the real abortion movies on Youtube, to see how the fetus is trying to defeat himself, also at those many parts of the killed fetuses (hopefully, you do not have a way of thinking closer to the thinking of the criminals, who do not care about their victims, but treat them more like simple objects than like human beings).

    However, I am sure that when you will have your first child, you will understand that your opinion about abortion was wrong (also a mother opinion: "giving birth is less painful than an attack of acute pancreatitis, if only because, when giving birth, you get relief between contractions and you know that within a few hours it will be over").
     
  7. Pasithea

    Pasithea Banned at Members Request Past Donor

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    There are many mothers who are pro-choice. My mother for example. She's had three kids and she's pro-choice. Same with my aunt. Three kids and pro-choice. My boyfriend's mom, two sons and pro-choice.

    You can still have kids and still believe women have a right to control their bodies. Having children does not automatically change that.
     
  8. Makedde

    Makedde New Member Past Donor

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    If you are referring to The Silent Scream, that is a blatant piece of garbage propaganda which should be stomped on and burned.

    And having some relief during contractions doesn't make childbirth easier than abortion. Childbirth will always be the most painful thing a woman ever does in her life.
     
  9. dixiehunter

    dixiehunter Banned

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    Never make the choice to have an abortion unless it is an emergency situation and decision.
     
  10. EZ-E

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    Although a tired subject to argue since it shows another instance of constant liberal hypocrisy, allow me if you will, to dictate a scenario for you:

    Tiller the baby killer was known to have performed abortions all the way into the 9th month of pregnancy. With that, even from a liberal perspective, it is determined that the baby is a fully developed human being with a brain, heart, lungs, etc... Having said that, many liberals would, and have, supported that type of abortion under the liberals code phrase of "A woman's right to choose"...

    Many of those same liberals that support the murder of a fully developed human being via abortion, are against the death penalty. So, let's compare:

    1. You have a fully developed baby, that made no choices in life, especially a choice to take another human beings life, and who has been determined as a human being, that is being aborted, which the liberals support.

    and

    2. You have a person sitting on death row, who made the conscious decision to take another human being's life, but yet, the liberals do not support the death penalty.

    You see, on one liberal hand, you support killing of innocence (the human baby who didn't do anything to anyone).

    On the other liberal hand, you are against taking the life of the guilty (The person who consciously committed a crime).

    What gives? Are there any honest liberals out there that fit into this scenario who will just stand up and say, "Yes, I'm hypocritical"?

    Having said all of this, I will depart, leaving with these final thoughts:

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31k_DB8KVQM"]YouTube - Mr. Big - Wild World ( Official Video )[/ame]
     
  11. PatrickT

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    Sorry. That's not true. A father has lost a daughter or son. A mother has lost a grandson or granddaughter.

    It does make it so much easier to be able to say, "I don't consider it killing." I'm sure it does. And, considering euthanasia as something other than killing makes that easier, too. And, ummm, disposing of the handicapped is so much easier if it isn't considered killing.
     
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    Women don't choose to abort in late-term. Those abortions, such as performed by Tiller, were instances of severely deformed fetuses or, in a few cases, instances where the pregnancy was threatening the woman's life. There are only a TINY number of abortions performed late-term, and you can rest assured they were medically necessary.

    Don't you think it's hypocritical for a person to support taking the life of a grown thinking breathing human being who can voice that he wants to live, but deny abortion choice to a woman whose fetus has no brain, no feelings, no desires at all?
     
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    What leads you to assume everyone who supports abortion identifies as liberals?

    Every time I take an online political poll it identifies me as a conservative Libertarian. But I suppose if you only measure my views on abortion I am pretty liberal when it comes to that. In fact I am very liberal when it comes to individual freedoms.
     
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    Except for the fact that "liberal" no longer means freedom... It means authoritarian, except in terms of abortion.
     
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    Pasithea Banned at Members Request Past Donor

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    Elaborate? Or perhaps we shouldn't go off topic.
     
  16. jthorp24

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    Smoking bans, telling private business owners what to do, government mandated healthcare, trying to tell me what to eat... the list goes on.
     
  17. Unifier

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    It means authoritarian there too. It's the government dictating which groups of people have a protected right to life and which groups can be killed.
     
  18. edy_

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    All fetuses have brain and have the instinctive desire to live.
    They are little human beings, and first of all THEY ARE THE CHILDREN OF THOSE WOMEN/MOTHERS. It does not matter that they are younger.

    A woman who accepts an abortion is a mother who accepts to have her child killed.
     
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    Oh, I am against all of those things which is why I identify more with Libertarians than Democrats/liberals.

    I don't believe in telling private businesses what to do, not in favor of the government mandated healthcare/Obamacare, certainly don't care what you're munching on at the time, etc.

    I am in favor of everyone being allowed to do what they like with their own bodies and property so long as they don't harm other individuals (I am sure you will round this right back around to the abortion debate because I can already predict what you will say and how I will counter).

    If a restaurant/bar wants to say 'no smoking' I have every right as an individual to boycott them and start a rally to get many to boycott them, post a website about it, etc. until they cave in to our/my demands. Or I can simply choose not to eat there. That's how I feel about those sorts of things and that's how I believe the United Sates government intended for it to work to begin with. People dictate whether businesses stay alive or not with their wallets, not with big brother looming over them. But yeah, way off topic there.

    So yeah, not everyone who favors abortion is 100% liberal on everything. I certainly am not.
     
  20. davis.awesome

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    I agree with this actually (though I identify as a Liberal, except regarding abortion). I am against abortion AND against the death penalty. EVERY life is valuable.
     
  21. edy_

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    Also abortion is a permitted crime in many countries because the rich people prefer to keep the poor people in a small number to not have their wealth affected. Most of the women who make an abortion, are doing this, because they think that they cannot afford that child (not having enough money for him).
     
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    This is simply nothing more than uneducated drivel. Learn something about the topic before posting.
     
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    You do not know. Learn more from this article:
    http://www.buzzle.com/articles/brain-development-in-fetus.html

    Quotation:

    "Fetal Brain Development Timeline

    The fetal brain development stages start from the the first week and go up to the 40th week. Scroll down and see the stages of brain development, your baby will go through before being born.

    Week 1 to Week 2: The egg gets implanted into the uterine wall, and conception is considered as two weeks old.

    Week 3:Although it is still an embryo in its definition and formation, the backbone, cardio-vascular system (a beating heart) and the brain begins to form.

    Week 4: In this phase, the embryo further develops the three brain sections; fore brain, middle brain and hind brain, along with the optical stalk.

    Week 5: As the brain continues to develop, other organs like the circulatory system, begin to function with all four chambers of the heart present. The facial features begin to develop, with a clear distinguished vision (through ultrasound) of arms and legs, complete with fingers.

    Week 6: This week sees the formation of the brain hemispheres, and also some wave activity. The neural tube that connects the brain and spinal cord also closes in this duration.

    Week 7: By this week the brain is growing at a rapid rate and its formation is nearing completion.

    Week 8: By this week the head is quite large, as compared to the rest of the body. The development of the hind brain, responsible for regulating heartbeat, breathing and all concerned muscle movements also begins now.

    Week 9: The nervous system by now is quite developed for proper functioning.

    ..."
     
  24. OKgrannie

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    The fetus brain is not wired and working until quite late in gestation, about 7 months. Most people would say that a human being has a working brain. Most people would say that children have working brains. Since the zef at the time of abortion, nearly always in the first 12 weeks, does not have a working brain, it is only the potential for a child or a human being, and no woman is obligated to realize the potential for it. A woman is not a mother unless she has a born child; a pregnant woman is "going to be" a mother.
     
  25. jthorp24

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    A woman who gets an abortion is a killer and a coward. Stop giving them credit for killing what they created.
     

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