Bush Tax Cuts Caused S&P U.S. Debt Downgrade

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  1. TheHat

    TheHat Well-Known Member

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    Jesus the left has completely lost it. Now we are back to Bush being the scapegoat.
     
  2. padcrasher

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    duh.............................new york times...........unsubstantiated.........duh

    .........palin/joe the plumber 2012........duh
     
  3. Ethereal

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    Assuming these numbers have any merit, I let the tax cuts expire for the "rich" and made all available cuts to the military. I'm still hundreds of billions short, and I don't think those cuts to the military are realistic, rational, or "modest".
     
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    I don't pretend it's Bush now. Obama owns these cuts. He advocated them. These are the Obama tax cuts. He's right in line with the rich corporate establishment now. Just like 100% of the GOP.
     
  5. Ethereal

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    Right, we should just trust a paper that is a hotbed of leftist ideology. They have no agenda of any kind.
     
  6. padcrasher

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    Let me hold your hand....I'll do it for you, save it, and post it here.

    Give me 1 minute.

    *** I'm back. Never touched entitlements. Never cut anybody's pay. Didn't eliminate any Federal departments. Budget balanced primarly by cuts in Defense and tax increases on the wealthy.

    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/11/13/weekinreview/deficits-graphic.html?choices=w3x045qt
     
  7. Ethereal

    Ethereal Well-Known Member

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    Oh, you mean you're going to present a specific plan that I can actually address instead of just spouting off meaningless platitudes? Gee, thank you so much.
     
  8. GiveUsLibertyin2012

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    Back to it?Bush has been the scapegoat for the past 2 1/2 years.
    The Libs cant take responsibility or admit when he screws up.
    Even in Bushs book(Decision Points,great book by the way),he atleast has the balls and admits where he (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up,but this man cannot owe up to his mistakes!
     
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    Wow, even when you try to slam Obama, you can't help but try and swing it back to the Republicans.....lmao!!!
     
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    So what? When you catch me having a double standard or being hypocritical you just let me know. I have principles and values that transcend Party politics unlike 95% of right wingers.
     
  12. TheHat

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    Lmao! I have read your posts and they are all left wing talking points and junk.
     
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    If the Bush/Obama tax cuts and Bush/Obama wars were magically expunged from our history, we would still be racking up mountains of debt, and staring at well over 12 trillion worth by early 2013.
     
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    Right. I understand you don't agree with my views and are unable to present a valid argument against them using objective evidence. That's not surprising.

    but when you catch me having a double standard ....you let me know will you?

    Because it's important to me to be consistent. ...Thanks.
     
  15. Ethereal

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    They mentioned entitlements twice, and mentioned the growth in public spending, in general.
     
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    It's not my fault, since I oppose every one of those, except for tax cuts.
     
  18. padcrasher

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    Well so be it. I opted for the first three general selections, every military cut, every tax increase on the wealthy, lowering of mortgage deductions for the wealthy, and a bank tax, and it balanced.
     
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    Show the numbers. Not your BS excuse.

    Put up or shut up.
     
  20. Eighty Deuce

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    That lowers the yearly deficit of about 1.3 T to 1.23 T. Now show us the modest cut to Defense that eliminates that :roll:

    Put up or shut up.
     
  21. padcrasher

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    I don't "put up or shut up" to someone who has the reading skills of a four year old....It's a waste of time....LOL

    Dwell in ignorance for all I care....LOL
     
  22. Eighty Deuce

    Eighty Deuce New Member Past Donor

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    You've been proven to be a phoney. Your numbers are complete crap.

    Sucks to be you.
     
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    They also referenced the Sovereign Government Rating Methodology and Assumptions which they use to rate credit of sovereign nations which addresses entitlements including health care and pensions, and a nations willingness to cut into such programs in order to maintain fiscal responsibility.

    After registering with S&P, it can be downloaded here.

    As I keep posting, they also said they do not presume to determine revenue/spending ratios, but as noted above, cutting entitlements is KEY to fiscal responsibility.





    I respect fact checker. His/her posts reflect precisely what the nic suggests. They take the time to read sources, not biased evaluations of the sources.
     
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    So waste and abuse is okay, so long as we plan for it?
     
  25. Accountable

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    When did honoring the foundational document of federal law become radical and absurd?
     

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