Why can't MEXICO contol it's destiny like Lybia and Egypt?

This year the world has seen the people of Egypt and Lybia take control of their government and throw out corrupt leaders.

Yet Mexico has a long history of failed efforts to create a working government over the centuries. What is wrong with Mexico that they reproduce more poor, live in slums, are dominated by drug cartels, and try to sneak into the United States instead of addressing their problems at home?

Are Mexicans lazy. Do Mexicans lack the stamina to resolve their own problems? Is the United States going to have to FORCE Mexico to take responsibility for itself? The United States has been very patient and generous with third world Mexico, is it time to get tough?

 

In the case of Lybia and Egypt, you're looking at two fairly well-structured governments that were run by dictators. The system was well set up so that the leaders were actually the problems due to things they were doing to the population.

In the case of Mexico, the government is too weak to control corruption at the local level and gang-induced violence.
The problem is not created by the actions of the government so much as the product of its inaction, largely due to a lack of agency.
If you changed the leaders, it would not bring the situation under control. Thus even democracy fails to fix the problems.

Not all problems are so simple that you can fix them by switching out leaders.
A revolution in Mexico would only further weaken the federal government and create more instability.
In other words, it would be dumb.

 

Maybe when the insatiable and astronomical demand for illicit substances produced in Latin America and trafficked through Mexico across their border declines, they will be in a better situation to control its destiny.

As far as I can tell there are three things that can happen: a) both the US and Mexico legalize drugs, not reducing demand but at least forcing the cartels further underground and into different criminal enterprises and probably reducing some of their current control of some regions, b) the US gets fed up and tries either directly or indirectly to increase influence in Mexico or c) the current situation subsists and the cartels eventually outlast the government and Mexico eventually ceases to be a nation.

A will never happen because of the two-faced American attitude towards drugs, B will probably not happen because of the US's limited finances and nonexistent public support for such an action (at least right now). So C is most likely to happen currently.

 

Not only that... Mexico is exactly where the U.S wants it to be ( At least was .. before the illegal drug market in the U.S fueled the rise of the drug cartels). U.S handouts to one corrupt administration after another has kept the status-quo in power while they rob the people and the country of profits by control of nationalized resources.

Lazy.. lol yep.. thats why all them meskins are stealin our jobs right? Are they lazy or stealing our jobs?.. make up your mind.

 

Mexico is Mexico, and its doubtful it will ever change. The only thing the US can do is seal our border tight.

 

The government officials in mexico have no interest in ending the drug wars. The funds they recive from the U.S along with the bribes recieved from the dominant cartel is a cash cow the top government officials in Mexico are not about give up... its no secret why Mexican presidents retire Millionaires hundreds of times over and leave the country as soon as they retire.

 

Its changed tons in the last 30 years....

 

Ok, well then C is likely happen even sooner.

 

Mexico is a paradise that persists in the memory of illegal aliens from Mexico. They remember Mexico for its warm culture and forget why they came here in the first place. Memory is selective like that.

 

Libya and Egypt didn't really control their own destinies. They had a lot of help from outside interference. The new Egyptian & Libyan Governments are mere Western Puppets. Don't be fooled. But Puppets can misbehave at times. What is the West gonna do when these new Puppets begin to misbehave? Mexico can change but it will take a whole lot of foreign intervention.

 

Yes, Libya and Egypt threw out their dictators, but it is yet to be seen if they actually will now have a government that works any better than Mexico, for example.

The problem is that all governments work, for those in power at least. What is very difficult is to get it to work for the ordinary folk. To date, I do not see ANY government that really does so. The big improvement seems to be that instead of working for the dictator's family and friends, it works for the top officials' families and friends. A little better, but not much. There needs to be some fairly fundamental changes to get things working for everyone, and those changes will be fought tooth and nail by those who get the most benefit out of the current systems.

 

Is the OP seriously of the idea that the people of Egypt don't live in slums?

 

Ignorance reigns. When the U.S. has gotten rid of corrupt politicians and the current corrupt administration, come back Red Carpet. I would try to respond to your individual points but since you are ignorant and don't really care there just isn't much point.

 

I would suggest that anyone who is serious in learning about Mexico read this book: The Mexicans: A Personal Portrait of a People, By Patrick Oster.

I found it enlightening as to the plight of the common Mexican. If you have read it please feel free to message me with what you thought about it.

 

Why did they come? Oh, right, millions of Americans who refuse to work mean there are jobs.

 

What happened in those places is part of the elites plans to take over the middle east.

If mexico becomes unresponsive to the globalist wishes you might see the same thing, but right now mexico is run by a globalist who is going along with the bankers plans.

 

PT,

What you've posted is a partial truth. There are many components to the truth. If the Mexican elite did not insist on maintenance of the economic status quo in Mexico the illegals would not have any incentive to come to America.

 

Look up United States drug use and Iron River. It'll get you clued in. Hit me back if you need to more info. Glad I could help.

 

I guess retaking the country for the people is easier when the country in question is run by dictators who start becoming unpopular.

 

I'd have to add that having the U.S. as a neighbor affects this in several ways. We're still a robust economy (in comparison) and a fair portion of our wealth finds it's way into Mexico... through the drug trade, through remittances, through legitimate business. So it's not as if Mexico is full out destitute with it's citizens having nothing to lose. The U.S. also provides a refuge for mostly illegals from Mexico, which surely eases some pressure. In other words, the U.S. for those reasons is like a buffer which in part prevents things from spiraling out of control.

Another obvious reason would be that the problem in Mexico vs. M.E. nations is completely different. The Mexican government, though full o' fail, is not exactly a brutal dictatorship. A lot of Mexicans are angry at their government for it's failure in dealing with the cartels, yet fear the cartels more than the government. So they're literally stuck between a rock and a hard place.

I've often thought that a revolution would be the only solution in Mexico, but the consequences are unpredictable when the cartels come in to play. When the smoke settles the cartels might have acquired more power. Who knows.

It's going to take a cultural revolution.

 

Most Mexicans in this country are good, hard-working Americans who want nothing more than to provide a decent living for their families and a good education for their children. Will they will join together and help us fight back the radicals in the "La Raza" movement such as the misguided, easily led people shown above who want to annex and return our proud U.S. communities in Texas, Arizona and southern California to Aztlan, the legendary homeland of the Aztecas?

 

By 'lazy' I meant too lazy to take control over their country. American taxpayers shell out $113 Billion a year for the health care, education, and welfare of illegal aliens and their anchor babies. http://www.fairus.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=23198&security=1601&news_iv_ctrl=1741

Amnesty will just bring more. Deportation is the most common way for nations to get rid of people they do not want. Our bad economy is a good time to dump the freeloaders back over the border. Once that is settled, I would not object to a migrant worker program as long as it specifically did not allow any more anchor babies.

 

You are pretty negative. By removing dictators, the resources of the nations of Libya and Egypt should get to the people and bring a better standard of living. Egyptians are screaming "JOBS" and it was a major reason for their revolution. Democracy is great, if it includes all groups in the country. Who the hell is the United States to decide who we like, and who should be included in a new government in Libya and Egypt?

I read somewhere recently that Libya has a transitional group that has been working together for about nine months. They also have major financial resources that could bring real improvements quickly. A political success in Libya could bring about major change in the region.

I am sorry, I am sick and tired of hearing the Middle East this, the Middle East that. Frankly, I do not give a (*)(*)(*)(*). I want them to fix their own problems, and stabilize. That is my real level of interest. I think the United States has allowed itself to get sucked into the problems of the Middle East, when all we want to do is buy some oil.

 

I would really like to know what percentage of the population of this planet you think is corrupt? Don't blame corruption, it is part of human nature, all of us are corrupt, the only difference is the matter of degree.

Cut the crap, all the United States wants to do is buy some oil.

Come back when you find a way out of your bubble, and get off of your high horse. Chris Mathews has come up with a new catch phrase for people like yourself - "low information voters."

 

Egypt is still ruled by a questionable military council and we have yet to see what even develops in libya. If Mexico had a public uprising then there would be an even greater number of power players vying for power. The go's of Mexico isn't that spectacular but it doesn't have near the amount of resentment against it that the others do. Many people however do want reforms in Mexico and the gov't there seems to for the most part enact these reforms even if it is slowly. However there still protests that push such reforms.
http://www.reportageonline.com/2011/04/anti-violence-protests-sweep-mexico/