Nobel Prize-Winning Physicist Resigns Over Global Warming

Who is drawing a line? I am telling you the science. The current ice age started roughly 2.5 Mya and is still ongoing. It has cycles of glaciation and interglacials, which is what we are in now. In a while there will be more glaciation.




It is called an ice age because a permanent ice sheet has existed over the Antarctic. There have been 8 cycles of glaciation in the last 750,000 years.

The current ice age was caused by low CO2 caused by the weathering of the Himalayas. There have been 5 major ices ages in the earths history.

How many headless skeletons have been found and when do archaeologists think the heads were removed?

http://www.urkommunismus.de/catalhueyuek_en.html

And what about the revolution at Cayonu where class society was overthrown? A town of big houses and small ones was replaced by a uniform one.

read the full story at the link

 

There has been a permanent ice sheet on Antarctica for about 20 million years. Your (yes... arbitrary) definition of "ice age" does not appear to be coherent.

And forgive me for simply dismissing a tendentious web page like "ancient communism" as a serious contribution to the archaeological understanding of Çatalhöyük.

 

We will cool when CO2 comes down. If we take no mitigating action, that will be in several hundred to several thousand years.

 

Regarding the supposed lack of evidence of violence at Çatalhöyük, the very first description I was able to find of a specific skeleton includes this:

We also find:

..and...

...and...

I could keep going, but it appears that the "Ancient Communism" website was... exaggerating?

 

You do realize physics is not the same as meteorology, don't you?

Next you'll be saying a foot doctor is an expert on brain transplants.

 

No there is theory and data manipulation and deception. No one can say how much of warming is natural and how much man. This tells me the proof it is man does not exist

 

That is a good opinion but not factual.

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/05/19/global-cooling-scientists-warming/

 

are you sure?

 

How much permanent ice? Were there forests in the antarctic 3 million years ago?



let's turn to the world's most prestigious body of geologists...

"...during the last 2.6 million years, the duration of the current Ice Age, there have been 104 major fluctuations between global cold and global warmth."

http://www.geolsoc.org.uk/page6118.html

"The general course of climate history in the last 2.6 million years (the Quaternary Period of geological time) is now generally agreed and non-controversial. Effective summaries of the complex course of Quaternary climate are given by standard texts such as:

Alverson, K.D., Bradley, R.S. & Pederson, T.F. (eds) Paleoclimate, global change and the future. Springer, Berlin.
Lowe, J.J. & Walker, M.J.C. 1997. Reconstructing Quaternary environments (2nd edition). Longman.
Roberts, N. 1998. The Holocene (2nd edition) Blackwell: Oxford.
Wilson, R.C.L., Drury, S.A. & Chapman, J.L. The Great Ice Age. Routledge/Open University.

 

"Professor Jane Francis of the University of Leeds is an intrepid explorer who has followed in Scott's footsteps. She has spent 10 field seasons in Antarctica collecting fossil plants and received the Polar Medal from the Queen in 2002.

"I still find the idea that Antarctica was once forested absolutely mind-boggling", she told the BBC.

"We take it for granted that Antarctica has always been a frozen wilderness, but the ice caps only appeared relatively recently in geological history."

One of her most amazing fossil discoveries to date was made in the Transantarctic Mountains, not far from where Scott made his own finds.

She recalled: "We were high up on glaciated peaks when we found a sedimentary layer packed full of fragile leaves and twigs."

These fossils proved to be remains of stunted bushes of beech. At only three to five million years old, they were some of the last plants to have lived on the continent before the deep freeze set in."


Annual rings in fossil wood reveal Antarctica’s subtropical past

 

Stop wasting your time and just read up on the science.

 

There is a flaw in your argument. First you claim the last ice age ended, even though there is ice all over the Antarctic, then you try to say there was permanent ice there 20 Mya, as if that implies the ice age started then, even though there were trees growing there 3 Mya.

Never mind the fact that I am simply stating the position of science. Are you one of these sort of people who cannot ever accept any criticism, no matter how constructive and informed it may be?

 

Well that story is not based on fact.
from the link:

The data for RUGSL only goes back to 1966, so how can Taylor, an environmental policy expert claim "snow records from the last 10 years exceeded the records set in the 1960s and 1970s."
Only data I could find on the RUGSL site were for NH. NH certainly did not set any records for snow extent.


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Lies from the Heartland Institute. Why am I not surprised?
I think this quote of yours applies to you:
".. you ignore the lies and deceptions because it shows the corruption in your beloved agenda."

 

Actually, yes.

 

So, now we're going to start furiously back pedaling? Now we're going to come up with some alternative, but no less arbitrary criteria to save what is actually just a complete red herring anyway? You can move those goal posts all over the southern hemisphere if you want, it does not matter..

No human civilization has ever survived an ice age.

 

My irony meter just exploded.

 

post support then. how much permanent ice? what about the trees?

 

Look... I already told you I'm done chasing you as you run around all over moving the goal posts. I have demonstrated that your definition of what constitutes an ice age is arbitrary, and that you will shamelessly turn on a dime when shown to be mistaken. That's enough for me.

The energy you are spending trying to salvage the point is puzzling, since it is also pointless.

 

The standard position in geology is that we are still in one.

Why do you think you know better than geologists? What back pedalling? Because I said permanent ice started 3 million years ago and you found a site that said 20?

Suppose there was a little bit at altitudes near the pole, and then starting much more recently it covered hundreds of miles. Have you heard of dialectics? The point where quantitative change leads to qualitative. Is a small patch of ice worthy of being deemed an ice sheet or an ice age?

It is not a red herring it is science. The current ice age is due to historically low levels of CO2, caused by Himalayan silicate erosion.

Now tell me, when the white man arrived in America, were the natives civilised?

 

Tell me why you know more about geology than the geologists.

 

I don't need to know more geology than geologists. I just need to know more geology than you.

 

For god's sake man!! Why is this trivial and pointless equivocation so important to you?

 

I am a geologist

 

I do not believe you.

 

Because it's science, and the fact that we are still in an ice age is important, in many ways. If you reject big chunks of science, how do you expect to understand anything?

It's important because it links CO2 with the greenhouse effect, since our current ice age was caused by silicate erosion depleting CO2 as I explained. This alone is strong evidence of the greenhouse effect.

It's important because we are heading for more glaciation, which tends to do against the vague idea that 'it's natural'. We are in a cooling trend, as far as I'm aware, even though the last glaciation was closer than the next. Maybe the cooling takes longer.

It's important because it's science. There have been several major ice ages and this is one, and has had a hundred glaciation episodes, so to call the last glaciation 'the ice age' is understandable colloquialism but is not science. The ice age is the whole big multi-million year cold episode chiefly caused by historically low CO2, which declined over the last 70 million years, although in the last 150 years it has shot back up to the level last seen 15 million years ago.