Michele Bachmann: Not teaching creationism is 'censorship'

Well, there sure is a heap of baby killing in the Bible.

 

Can you post links to a scientific and objectively written paper which backs this up?

First, start with an objective scientific defintion of "human being".

Thanks.

 

Of course.

Christians are not against education.

But in modern America far too many public educators are anti Christian and that bothers many people of faith.

 

How many classroom hours would you devote to teaching that the earth is 6,000 years old or that man and dinosaurs coexisted?

 

All very tedious and falls into the Christian fundamentalist trap of creating believers and infidels in preparation for a massive battle between good and evil.

Do you think this baby logic was beyond Charles Darwin? If evolution leads to two camps - one of rationalists rejecting God and the other of morons rejecting natural selection, then how come Darwin and a great many others at that time who were religious, joined neither? Religion was never based on "blind belief". It was based on philosophy, deduction and logic (such as Aquinas's five proofs or thinkers going back to ancient Greece). So nothing comes tumbling down apart from your ignorance about religious reasoning. The real proble with this debate is the crude polarizations that take place on both sides.

Believers have no problem with the mysteries of miracles. We do not need to prove that Christ's miracles were science. Their meaning to us today is not as science either. They reflect exactly that there is something more spiritual to life and that we don't really understand that fully.

 

"One example I have noticed is libs who deny that unborn children are human beings when the science proves otherwise."

California Man Convicted of Double Murder, Killing Pregnant ...





www.lifenews.com/2009/06/05/state-4210/


Jun 5, 2009 – California Man Convicted of Double Murder, Killing Pregnant ... for pregnant women and their unborn children when they are killed or injured in an attack. ... Research With Body Parts of Aborted Babies Won't Cure Diseases ...

 

No, I have better things to do with my time.

But arguing with libs over abortion for so many years I know that they routinely claim not to know when human life begins when any rational, scientific person knows that it begins at conception.

 

Yeah Santorum and Bachmann... NO! BAD REPUBLICANS! BAD! Their type is the reason I'm an independent conservative.

 

California Man Convicted of Double Murder, Killing Pregnant Girlfriend Unborn Child

www.lifenews.com/2009/06/05/state-4210/

If not life, why charge him with double murder?

 

Because he took choice away from the mother by force.

 

Because he took choice away from the mother by force.

 

the Bible does not say how old the earth is.

 

Through DNA testing.

Besides, there is no record of any woman giving birth to anything other than a human being.

 

Nonsense.

He was not convicted of theft of a woman's choice.

He was convicted of murder of a human being.

 

It won't be confusing if you read the law.

 

It's not confusing to me.

You're the one who seems to be not getting it.

 

When a man kills a pregnant woman its always double murder.

 

Ah, Michele Bachmann. The gift that keeps on giving.

Indeed, her mythology should not be taught in science class. Why? there is not a shred of science to it.

There is nothing to suggest some man flying in the sky created everything on earth. There is nothing to suggest that the Christian rebranded version of events, intelligent design, is based on anything other than pure fiction.

There is plenty to support the theory of evolution.

I am oft amazed at how Michele Bachmann has gotten as far as she has in life when she so consistently spouts nonsense. Not teaching mythology in science class is not censorship. it is, after all, science class.

 

Mac: Its just not that difficult to understand..

The Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004 (Public Law 108-212) is a United States law which recognizes a "child in utero" as a legal victim, if he or she is injured or killed during the commission of any of over 60 listed federal crimes of violence. The law defines "child in utero" as "a member of the species Homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb".[1]

The law is codified in two sections of the United States Code: Title 18, Chapter 1 (Crimes), §1841 (18 USC 1841) and Title 10, Chapter 22 (Uniform Code of Military Justice) §919a (Article 119a).

The law applies only to certain offenses over which the United States government has jurisdiction, including certain crimes committed on Federal properties, against certain Federal officials and employees, and by members of the military.

In addition, it covers certain crimes that are defined by statute as federal offenses wherever they occur, no matter who commits them, such as certain crimes of terrorism.

Because of principles of federalism embodied in the United States Constitution, Federal criminal law does not apply to crimes prosecuted by the individual states. However, 36 states also recognize the fetus or "unborn child" as a crime victim, at least for purposes of homicide or feticide.[2]

The legislation was both hailed and vilified by various legal observers who interpreted the measure as a step toward granting legal personhood to human fetuses, even though the bill explicitly contained a provision excepting abortion, stating that the bill would not "be construed to permit the prosecution" "of any person for conduct relating to an abortion for which the consent of the pregnant woman, or a person authorized by law to act on her behalf", "of any person for any medical treatment of the pregnant woman or her unborn child" or "of any woman with respect to her unborn child."

The bill contained the alternate title of Laci and Conner's Law after the California mother (Laci Peterson) and fetus (Conner Peterson) whose deaths were widely publicized during the later stages of the congressional debate on the bill in 2003 and 2004. (see Scott Peterson and Laci Peterson).

Scott Peterson was convicted of double homicide under California's fetal homicide law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unborn_Victims_of_Violence_Act

 

Of course Margot.

It's the murder of two human beings, not just one.

 

Yes. I hope the Department of Education gets a huge overhaul with a change in President.

Public schools should be run by local government, and if their schools cannot qualify for college admissions, then people with kids won't want to live there, or will homeschool or go private. Public schools also need to be run more like a business rather than a government organization, but that's another story.

Our public school system is a disaster....clearly the Department of Education is failing.

 

Just because I happen to buy into Darwin's theory of Natural Selection, does not mean I automatically have to buy in to every other view he held.

 

1. I said scientific paper, this is a court case.

2. "she was eight and a half months pregnant". "Libs" as you call us, would not as a whole support abortions at this stage.

3. You have not included as requested, a scientific defintiion of "human being".

To be clear, it was initially stated:

Please stop deflecting from the initial statement.

 

Then don't bring it up on a discussion board.

 

8.5 months pregnant, find anyone on this board who supports abortion at this stage. Anyone!