They may get enough names for a recall vote, getting all the unions, Blacks and Hispanics to sign. But then it goes to a state vote. I think when people realize his plan wipes out the deficit of 3.6 billion in two years without raising taxes or cutting vital services, he will never be thrown out of office. It's the union it's self that is driving this recall. They know if Walker's plans go through, they will lose plenty of union members. They are fighting for millions of union dollars. It's a power play is all.
That's 9.2% of the population, you'll need to do much better to get him out. I doubt ya'all will. Carry on if it makes ya feel better.
http://blog.heritage.org/2011/12/14/mickey-mouse-adolf-hitler-allowed-on-wis-recall-petitions/ Get a thousand die hards, and you can skew the numbers by 80,000. How many teachers were occupying the State Capitol?
That's fair Goldwater. I can understand why Walker would bother anyone who professes to be Democrat or left leaning. You are right, collective bargaining in public sector unions is a big problem for those of us on the right. Many of us see it the primary component of the incestuous relationship between Big Union and Government. When a GOP is in office, there may be a modicum of checks and balance. When the Dems are in office..........Big Union is essentially sitting on both sides of the negotiating table. A cursory look at California or the other blue states facing a massive unfunded pension bubble will bear that out. You are absolutely right about the GOP Governors. The mid-term shellacking and repudiation of the Obama was historic on many levels bringing in 29 new Republican Governors, including 9 of the 10 key swing states for 2012 and more than 600 Republican state legislators creating majorities in many states. The impact will be felt for years as theses states correct Democrat gerrymandering with new redistricting maps. I don't see it as political theater. Many of these laws are promises being kept. Many of us hope to see a similar repudiation of the Obama, his administration, and his record in November.
Are you kidding me? School's are terrible now. Sure the Small School Districts haven't been affected by this but the larger ones like MPS and KUSD and others are facing huge budget shortfalls after staff layoffs and huge budget cuts.
You make a good point. But I would add, that the RATE at which the signatures were collected, says more about the (diminishing) electoral prospects of Republicans in-general. I think MANY Americans (presently/formerly leaning 'Right') are trending AWAY from absolutely trusting and/or believing in what Republican politicians would promote. I think there is a somewhat cascading effect caused by Republicans being OUT OF TOUCH with the American people... from Washington on down.
Republican politicians get out of touch with the American people, because they don't tend to shape their 'agenda' by actually listening to people; it appears they generate their agenda then attempt to SELL it to people. In that sense, they generally end up appealing to those who see them as 'useful' (big money)... but few other American. Get money out of politics, and fewer people like Walker, Kasich and that Florida Governor will end up in power.
He did cut services obviously. What about the $500,000,000.00 cuts to education? How come the final results show that all Scott Walker did was lose jobs for Wisconsin? And yeah, just because he didn't raise state taxes, his cuts caused local taxes to be raised to compensate for his cuts.
Why do all you conservatives think that a group of working middle-class people get together (aka: a UNION) it is such a bad thing?
Yes Milwaukee and KUSD are having problems, they signed new contracts before the law went into effect. They followed the old collective bargaining rules and are having serious issues. They are operating under the old system and as you can see it doesn't work. A pity they didn't use the tools that were going to be given to them to lower costs. Meanwhile the majority of school districts are doing well now.
Funny how no one even heard of the Koch Brothers and they don't even compare to Soros in wealth or influence UNTIL the democrats are in politically hot water. More demonizing of people that the dems MUST destroy. They got nothing so they have to make someone appear worse than they are. all lies.
Thanks for the answer. Why do you think that the ex-President of the largest public union on Earth would say that it is impossible to collectively bargain with the Government?
Tsk, Defengar! You put up images - one of which doesn't actually work, and no links to the actual story, so that people can determine if the titles you attribute to FOX are actually FOX, and if the titles are misleading or not? It looks like the AP is involved in one; something called "buzzfed" is involved in two, so your explosion there may be a bit of an implosion, no?
And, how many valid signatures? Not that I'd consider unions likely to commit fraud, but just asking?
The recall should be used in cases of extreme abuse. It should not be used in cases where the political decisions that the politician makes are simply unpopular and undesirable to the members of the opposite party. It's costing me money too, but I'm not trying to recall a politician for this small thing. Recalling Walker shows weakness and lack of character from Democrats. I am an independent and my wife is employed by the state. It costs us money because of what Walker has done, but I'm willing to support him because I think he's right. I think we need to cut back and treat state employees like everyone else, and I think the unions have too much power, and curtailing them will help the budget. I hope that the Democrats' effort falls on its face. Repeat: I am NOT a Republican. We DO work for the State of Wisconsin.
Get money out of politics, and fewer people like Obama and Pelosi will end up in power also, you know, right?
Don't get me wrong....I fully understand the unsustainable nature of the current bargains most public sector unions have in place. When the economy is good, and tax revenue is strong, the unions aren't a problem for the right. The question is....how much of the union busting is neccessary for state governments to continue functioning, and how much is being done to disable the Democratic party. Obviously, the right thinks the system can't be fixed without eliminating unions, and the left thinks the right is primarilly concerned with disabling Democratic fund raising. I don't claim to know the clear answer, and I'm unable to find the type of unbiased numbers I'd need to form a sound opinion, but if all the unions in the country yielded to the proposed cuts that every governor should make, and all ancillary government union agreements reflected the same willingness to yield.....what possible reason could there be for the elimination of collective bargaining? It seems the right's arguments for elimination are based on an inadequatly supported position about unidentified potential peripheral problems besides the actual agreement between the state governments regarding benefits, pensions, and salaries. Well...that's quite sweeping, and while I respect your opinion, I'm pretty sure it's not that cut and dry. Not everything Obama and Democrats have done, is bad, and the converse is also correct IMO. Let's take the Arizona law which was pushed by the now disgraced Russell Pierce, and Jan Brewer. After creating a bipartisan panel on another site, we all read the 17 page law, and researched current programs available like DHS 287G partnership, and we examined the immigration court system, and DHS detention capabilites....and we stayed away from punditry. In the end, otherwise implacable opponents, every one of us agreed that the law didn't create more potential for racial profiling, it couldn't possibly speed up the deportation process, and consequently, didn't make Arizonans any safer. I suspect...the varying notions that Democrats and Obama have ruined this country, or significantly slowed recovery, are not well backed up by direct understanding, and seem to be frought with lot's of red meat style emotionally driven foregone conclusions.
Are you kidding me? Both MPS and KUSD - in direct defiance of Scott Walker's Collective Bargaining Reforms - went ahead and allowed their teachers unions to renegotiate contracts which DIDN'T require that they increase their contributions to their healthcare and retirement funds. A friggin MPS teacher's average salary and benefits package is over $100,000 a year! And now they have the nerve to whine about budget cutbacks????? Those greedy, selfish pukes! Look around, NotDependEnt, we have a bad economy with massive layoffs! What gives these self-righteous ignoramuses the right to avoid hardships when their employers - the public - is getting hit hard?? THEY DID IT TO THEMSELVES BECAUSE THEY WERE TOO GREEDY TO ACCEPT THE RENEGOTIATIONS OF THEIR HEALTH AND RETIREMENT CONTRIBUTIONS. Give. Me. A. Break. Both districts are breaking bank in costs. They're out of control, and Scott Walker is the fix. And note something else: school districts like to exclude some costs from these calculation, making ACTUAL costs between 25 and 100% HIGHER than what is publicly reported!
