NeoZionist murder of 400 kids commemorated in Gaza.

There is nothing the international community could do to Israel that they have not tried already.

Simple question.

Why do you believe that the Israelis would wipe out the Palestinians if they could? Palestinian populations have grown dramatically since the Israelis took control of the West Bank and Gaza in the Six Day War.

I've never seen evidence of a single instance of officially sanctioned Israeli govt. violence against Palestinians that was not retaliation for Palestinian attacks in the first place.

 

Well then, you should read the writing and speeches of the early Zionist leadership who began the ethnic cleansing process in the first place.

 

I don't care about what some leaders wrote and spoke about decades ago.

Actions speak louder than words.

And for a nation allegedly on some genocidal tear, the Israelies are doing a truly half a&*ed job about it.

The Israelies are so anti Muslim, anti Palestinian that they are on track to be outnumbered in their own country.

Mind explaining that?

 

Let me gather 50 teens throwing a barrage of rockets at you. The stupidity of this statement is beyond belief, come up with something rational, or bubye.

 

Hey my good friend moon, my favorite and the smartest poster on this forum; how come you never mention how ass-ad has murdered hundreds of children and thousands of civilians in the last 6 months?

How come?

 

Nah, I'll just put the morons and muslim fascist chimps on ignore, and the intelligent people I'll keep talking to.

Khalil and I for example, are political opposites, but he's intelligent and can debate using facts. The other muslim defenders - most of whom are neither intelligent nor knowledgeable - should simply imitate his comments.

 

How fascinating was that oak over there? It seems like you're missing the core point of my comment. Ok, yeah, the rocks can theoretically kill a soldier... why is the soldier even there? Because he's invading the land of these "combatants." He wouldn't be getting rocks thrown at him if he'd just stayed home. That's the core of this issue. What did that person do to justify being termed a "combatant," merely for resisting occupation? Why isn't the soldier called the same thing, and worse beside for the aggression?

If they really felt threatened by the rocks, maybe they should have retreated rather than open fire on basically unarmed civilians.

So clearly they deserve to get blown away by a tank shell? Yeah, those rocks are really going to do serious damage to that tank, to justify firing on those kids' house.

They've pretty much tried to do that whenever they're offered the opportunity. The US, for all its human rights problems, has at least prevented the Israelis from slaughtering the Palestinians outright. The Israeli response is entirely disproportionate. For every Israeli killed by Palestinian 'terrorism', they've taken over a hundred Palestinian lives in retaliatory attacks. That's not even counting the deaths caused by the humanitarian disaster that they have forced upon Gaza. It's entirely disproportionate.

 

That "resistance" -- if we're going to hide murderous intent by those words -- is ALWAYS aimed at civilians. They aren't shooting at tanks in their land, they aren't aiming at military bases, soldiers, military infrastructure, or anything of a remotely military nature. They aim at Israeli cities. And again, if anybody was shooting rockets into a civilian neighborhood of any country that isn't Israel, that country would have been much much more brutal in response. But I guess being Jewish means that you aren't supposed to defend your civilians like the rest of the world can.

Gotta love European logic. Putting Jews in ovens is bad, however, putting Jews in the middle east among people who want to genocide them is OK. Especially since any attempt by said Jews to defend themselves will be called evil and condemned. The only problem is of course that Jews have no intention of offing themselves for European socialists.

 

Retaliation should be disproportionate.

Because the whole point of retaliation is not just "revenge" but it is to be sufficient that fear on the part of those retaliated against is greater than the anger it produces.

Finally, as General Curtis LeMay put it IIRC, "if you kill enough of them, they stop fighting". And that should be the ultimate goal of any military action.

 

Can't you defend Israel without relying heavily on Holocaust abuse? If Israel is as innocent as some like to claim, then one should be able to defend it without relying heavily on the European Guilt Complex. Your heavy reliance on Holocaust abuse just shows that you can't defend Israel with facts and honesty. Did it never occur to you that your heavy reliance on Holocaust abuse actually does far more harm to Jews than good?

 

I have read through a few of the posts here. I have consistently noticed this one comment said again and again. For example Nosferax said it on the first page:

This is completely wrong though. Before Operation Cast Lead began on December 18 there was a cease-fire brokered between Hamas and Israel. Simply put, Hamas would not launch rockets, and try to stop other groups from launching rockets as well, while Israel would loosen the blockade. According to statistics by the Israeli government themselves the amount of rockets launched each month - during the cease-fire - was just about 0 - and if a few got through, none were from Hamas. Then November 4th comes and Israel kills about 6 or 7 Palestinians in the Gaza Strip during a military operation, and this is when the violence begins. So, it was Israel who broke the cease-fire which began the large-scale violence which resulted in Operation Cast Lead.

Israel honestly didn't fulfill its part of the cease-fire from mid-June but it's arguable militants were digging under the security fence and this is why Israel struck the Gaza Strip on November 4th. Even though both sides after this disruption during the cease-fire were interested in continuing the cease-fire. The Israeli Military even concluded that they believe Hamas wanted to continue the cease-fire.

EDIT:

I also have been noticing people trying to make the analogy between Hamas launching rockets at another country and what the response would be. Here is one post I saw:

The thing is, what reason does Hamas or any Palestinian have to launch rockets at Germany? Your making an analogy that has no meaning. Israel blockades and militarily occupies the Gaza Strip, and launches several military raids and operations there. Germany does not do any of that to Gaza.

 

I'm talking about the effects of the action. If you put a group of people in hostile territory and deny them any means to defend themselves, they die, plain and simple. Now, the European approach to this is almost exactly that -- we put Jews in the middle of Palestine amongst people who have openly declared their intent to kill them, and -- except for the US -- scream bloody murder any time Jews mount any type of defense against the attacks of those who have said many times that they wanted to destroy all Jews. So, if I can't call sending Jews into hostile territory with no right to defend themselves "genocide" then what, prey tell. is it?

 

The problem with this Holocuast misuse and abuse is that it has nothing to do with reality. Nobody put Jews anywhere and the Semites are generally not hostile. The hated Semites do not want to murder the Jews, contrary to the needs of your Holocaust abuse. Most Israelis chose to move there. Nobody put them anywhere, and Israelis would have friendly neighbors if they stopped misusing and abusing the Holocaust in defense of crimes, like how you seem to be doing so.

Your argument is nothing but racist Holocaust abuse leaning heavily into anti-Semitism. Yet, I can understand that your extremely hostile views against Semites causes you to believe that they must be hated. However, I don't understand why you figure that Israel benefits from your position. Tell me, how is Israel supposed to benefit from your heavy reliance on Holocaust abuse and your extreme hostility against Semites? What caused you to believe that racism and hatred is the best thing for Israel?

 

As moronic a statement as I've read on this forum, well done.

 

Khalil, you are smarter than this garbage:

These are not actions that civilized humans will accept: "trying" to stop rocket fire, throwing rocks at people, etc., these are not actions commonly found in decent, rational and civilized countries - and no one in the West is going to tolerate them.

Its like the US government saying well, some people in Minnesota just fired some tank shells into Canada, so we'll "try" to stop them. Or seeing teen anarchists firing large rocks at the police, and no expecting a harsh response.

Making laughable claims like this will destroy credibility, don't go down that path.

 

Bollox. According to your article it was every 4th or fifth . Why doesn't the author know ? Because the author is a fool. The author claims that the use of White Phosphorus in legal.

Also from your article;

You should memorize this for when you come across burning kids. When you called for the deaths of more arab children, post#2, did you mean by white phosphorus or did you have something worse in mind ?

 

Like I said, don't be absurd. If an IDF uniform flak vest and helmet can stop a bullet, please explain how a rock thrown by a kid can hurt one of your precious cowardly soldiers (who prefer to use human shields anyway)?

 

Yes, they do prefer to use Palestinians as human shields, but the Israeli courts have banned the foul practice. That hasn't stopped them, mind, it's just made the practice illegal according to Israeli law.

 

Well LeMay got it wrong then, didn't he? How many Poles were left in the ghetto in Warsaw but kept fighting against infinitely superior forces?
Evidently not enough Vietnamese died either.

 

So all the facts are wrong because I misss the numer by 1???

And yes WP is LEGAL! It is when used for smokescreen and when it is used by those who didn't signed on the treaty banning it.

And you can bring my post #2 as many time that you want... I stick by what I said. I'm tired of the pallestinian and I would prefer that they'd just disapear from the face of the earth. If we have to exterminate them to the last to make them understand... Well, I'm ok with that.

We could also go on and do the same thing for the rest of the islamic world. This planet is getting crowded, time for some big spring cleaning and deratization...

 

Nosferax;

There aren't many people who'd be proud of infanticide. Don't worry, I won't let anybody forget you.

 

I'll make it easier for you, I could put it in my signature if you want....

You're waisting your time if you think that silly new tactic of yours has any traction at all.

 

Well, if you look at official Israeli statistics the rockets never went above 9 and the ones who perpetrated these attacks were arrested. Nonetheless, no Hamas rockets were launched during the cease-fire until the Israeli operation in the Gaza Strip. The word "try" that I used was not necessarily correct, or the one they used in any agreement. If anything, Hamas still stuck to its side of the agreement, Israel did not.

 

And the Poles still lost.

and no, the U.S. should've killed several times as many Vietnamese.

 

Well, US-free Vietnam is now a prospering country. How many Americans died ? Fifty-five thousand was it ? Aren't you interested in prosecuting the people who sent them there ?