REPORT: Cops Quitting At ‘Unprecedented’ Numbers In Portland

Debt per capita, Oliver. I’m not concerned here with education. Colorado holds more debt per capita than Idaho. That’s a fact that is diametrically opposed to your feelings on the matter.

That’s fascinating, but completely irrelevant to our conversation on economic differences between geographical locations.

Odd. The ones I patronized in Oregon had 2-3 at registers and 2-3 pumping gas. Definitely Luddites in Oregon I see.

 

It's definitely a case elsewhere, and so it should be true for Portland, too.

 

I heard, the right in Venezuela is so persecuted and so underground as to be practically non-existent. Go there, my friend, so you won't have to

 

Okey dokey, believe whatever you want.

 

Okey dokey, you are the expert after all.

 

I base my beliefs on facts. I hope someday you come around and base your beliefs on facts, too. Your history here on PF doesn’t indicate you will do so.

 

You're probably quite right!

Suppose you're responsible for hiring police officers in, say, Boise, Salt Lake City, Amarillo, Texas, or dozens of other cities. You want to hire experienced, 'seasoned' people who have been through 'the mill' and know how to function even under the most chaotic and miserable of circumstances.

You get a handful of hiring requisitions from HQ, and, you get an application from a cop in Portland, Oregon with at least five years experience and a clean, upward-moving career indicated. The guy applies for a job in YOUR police force....

THAT'S the guy you want to hire -- ASAP!

 

Wow, Louisville Metro Police experience a more or less average turn over rate in america and you want to use that to reinforce the lame OP's suggestion that cops are deserting their jobs.

And who could imagine that a the Louisville police department that has generated a lot of bad press from stories like this can't seem to attract enough good people.


https://www.democracynow.org/2020/1...d_738_000_records_of_sexual_abuse_by_officers

 

Not really an expert on state economies. I don’t have compressive knowledge on what we are discussing. But the knowledge I do have is factual. I’m just someone who does research on the facts instead of regurgitating talking points from media and politicians.

 

In a dream world.
In the real world Boise, SLC and Amarillo are all deep red cities in deep red states, therefore they have no budget for your 'seasoned' cops, they can't afford them.
So they will hire what they always hire, the bottom third of the last group from another larger cities police academy.

 

I see what you are saying, socialist programs are better than a life of crime. Just don't call it socialism or mention the collective good and bob's your uncle.

 

Perhaps, but government-run production isn't my first choice for educating poor people. I prefer school vouchers for the full amount of an education for cities and suburbs. Rural areas may require a different answer.

 

I was going to disagree, but after reflecting on it a moment, I can't.

Too often, police departments in "deep red cities in deep red states" -- along with "deep BLUE cities in deep BLUE states" refuse to adequately fund both their police AND fire departments. Hell... the most lib-infested areas are the ones we've seen that intend to drastically cut funding for police departments even further!

Reality? Cities, counties, and states have had to shift spending priorities to accommodate dozens of new 'initiatives' and 'social programs' that didn't even exist fifty years ago. Tax burdens have increased everywhere to pay for all these 'sob-sister', lib-oriented programs, but police and fire departments have not been commensurately funded to keep up with the demand imposed by populations that are increasingly often prone to criminal and/or wholly irresponsible behavior.

Briefly then -- we need to STOP funding programs for a segment of society that creates little but disruptive and destructive problems for everyone else, and, we need to increase funding for police departments that keep these creatures under much tighter control....

 

Again, the radical right uses ANY excuse to run off at the mouth about nonsense spoon fed by their lying media.
I will give you credit for at least admitting the deep red can't/won't afford decent wages.
And BTW the right whining about 'defunding' is just getting to be about as stupid as your whining about 'death panels'.

 

Watching what has going on in Portland, Seattle, Minneapolis, and a dozen other democrat run cities, anyone defending their leadership and the destruction that has been caused, are candidates for a re-education camp. The "leadership" permitted and in some cases encouraged actions by lawbreakers from either side makes them prime targets for the tar and feather solution.

 

If kneeling on his neck was the only cause of death then the training has to be blamed not the officers.

 

There is some merit in your suggestion, but 'school vouchers for the full amount of an education' should cover ONLY educational pursuits that produce people in careers that we NEED for a better, more productive society.

No free tuition for liberal arts courses in 'basketweaving', ethnic studies, sociology, or other useless 'coffee-table-chat' disciplines.

. "Aw, won't the government pay to get me a degree in Thinkology...?"

 

I was talking about K-12 education. Trade school, college, and university are a different matter.

 

When I look at the list in Wikipedia, under the heading of GDP per capita per state, Colorado comes in at 16 and Oregon at 21. Idaho comes in at a blazing forty ninth. Only Mississippi is poorer. Mississippi’s largest city has a population of only 166,000. Boise is Idaho’s largest at 228,000. The Portland metropolis has 2,753,000 people and the Denver metropolis has 2,967,000. Notice the pattern? The states of Massachusetts and New York have the highest GDP’s per capita in the county and both have rather high population densities. The wealthiest counties in the country tend to be suburbs or extensions of large cities.

Your “facts” do not square with the facts that I see. Wikipedia, Forbes, the US Census and others all point to the same pattens, the same characteristics. Your claim that rural counties subsidize cities does not square with the available data nor with economic models. No serious economist thinks that more wealth is generated in rural counties. Or that rural counties subsidize cities.

 

Memorizing something doesn't equate to intelligence, elephants and seals can remember things.

But don't feel bad about what you can't understand, because I could never figure out how people who call themselves highly educated and the intellectual elite can believe we could provide medical insurance to 45 million people and save $2500 a year on our premiums. I also can't figure out how anyone could possibly say diversity is our strength when every culture from African tribes, China, Islam, right down to street gangs and drug cartels all stick their their own and don't trust being diverse. Another thing that bothers me are the people who call others science deniers can swear that a boy is actually a woman even those settled science says it ain't happening. You want me to go on?

BTW, how does not cutting taxes increase revenue?

 

Everything he said was true. It's not a right wing issue. Sure cops may be underfunded in many cities but it's worse in the biggest cities and it was your side saying the police should be defunded and ice should be removed. Sounds like you don't agree with that which is good to know.

 

Well I can say for a fact 99% of the food you eat comes from rural areas. Without Iowa (#2 food producer) many people would face starvation.

Iowa was rated the #1 state in the country before covid 19. Many nice homes and lots of jobs and we are a very rural state. We do better than California and Oregon and New York etc.

 

my bad, I was being fectious

 

As far as policing goes, Portland is probably a rather safe job, all things considered. The violent crime rate is rather low. Compared to other cities, Portland is a safe place to live. The worse crime tends to center around the homeless, many who are mentally ill, their mounting piles of garbage, their used syringes laying about, and their petty thievery.

 

Funny how they say they are more educated but when you watch videos of college students most of them come off as morons or don't seem to know anything about our history or politics etc.

Here in Iowa many years ago college students in Iowa City for the Viesha festival started a riot. The news headline literally said they did it to be stupid. Iowa State in Ames is very liberal.

I have a degree as do my parents. Graphic technologies for me, design for my mom and computer programming for my dad. We all vote Republican. Going to college I saw how easy it was to pass. One teacher literally just marked that we did and passed me and my class. Any moron could pass college with hard work.

Most farmers don't need a education to grow corn and feed the world. They are just as smart as college graduates.

Anyone who thinks Republicans are all uneducated whites and that somehow makes us stupid and them smarter is just showing how immature and stupid they are. Those are the deplorable people for suggesting they are better than anyone without a college education.

Hitler thought he was better than the Jews. The left is starting to sound like Hitler with thier way of thinking. The left just dislikes anyone that does not support them.