10% of the population has an IQ lower than 83, what this means

We were discussing when/when intelligence is built.

 

'10% of the population has an IQ lower than 83, what this means'.

It means the US Congress and the Senate have a deep 'talent pool' to draw from?

 

It is scientific fact. My brother has Down's syndrome and has never mastered the ability to count to 10 or learn the alphabet. You can yell eugenics all you want but environment did not make my brother retarded, genetics did.

 

We're talking only of neurotypical children.

 

Not really. It wasn't so much genetics as a problem that happened during meiosis. Your brother has an extra chromosome. Neither of your parents had that extra chromosome, so strictly speaking, it wasn't genetics, it was a by-production of dysjunction in the chromosomes. If it were genetic, you would be eliminated by eugenics supporters.

 

Good explanation.

 

I was a science teacher in a former life.

 

We were discussing people without issues such as Downs Syndrome and sorry many of such people can be high functioning a few even get college degrees but rather normal persons whose IQ is so low they are functionally at a huge disadvantage in getting employment of any kind in the modern economy. True some find basic work and if they have a good work ethic can hold simple jobs but how many are employable. I note again to join the Army enlistment or drafted you by law must have an IQ of 83 or more. This means they Army in a total war has no use for you which is bad. How much of a chance do such people have even earning a standard High School Diploma a basic goal leading to employment and more and more you need extra credentials over that apprenticeship, trade school, community college etc.

My argument is not waste resources on these people or the severely disabled those with say three confirmed disabilities which effect ones ability to work (excluding deafness for example but not blindness) as groups that are implied to be a burden on society and put them into what education we can maybe up to the eighth grade or until they turn sixteen and put them for life on welfare (SSI, SNAP, Medicaid and so forth) focusing education on those who most benefit. An IQ range for this might be cut off at an IQ of 85 or whatever is deemed so low many jobs are off the table.

 

You can't 'cut them off', because IQ is not a fixed state like a birth defect. It can be increased or lowered, according to use of the muscle.

 

If so why does the US Army ban them from serving even in a total war scenario by law? Sure they can likely shoot a gun but even a grunt uses technology almost all units use drones, GPS, various other tech and requires a good skill set. one they deemed can't be done by someone too mentally incapable.

Let me ask say someone has an IQ of 80, can you show me proof of an IQ going up to say 91 the mental capability to do work like boxing goods for Amazon to ship or do baic food service work or be a main in a motel fairly basic jobs? I will give on this if you can but its a big boost in IQ it seems intuitively unlikely.

 

Yes, IQ can be improved. It's not easy, and requires considerable effort and focus, but it's entirely possible. And I said nothing about a 'big' boost. You're not going to go from 80 to 140. More like 80 to 100.

 

As a top one percenter, I am here to tell you it is what you do with your life and how you enjoyed it that matters, not what IQ you hold.

IQ may be scored differently by test type, resulting in a slightly different score, but it is what it is. You can however get smarter, which is not the same thing.

Also some people have very mental skill levels in specific areas, yet low skills in others.

By the way, since IQ scores are bell curve shaped when comparing the population, there will always be 10% which fall below an 80.

 

That is true. I have a cousin who has a genius IQ, but smokes and has a drinking problem. 50 years old and still doesn't own property, despite having had various opportunities to secure something for his old age. He's divorced, and rarely sees his only child because the kid lives in a regional (rural) town, and cousin insists on living in the inner city because he's a hipster. So yeah, you can have a high IQ but be as dumb as a rock.

 

Is she related to mrseducation?

 

Depends on the type of terlit paper used...

 

Eugenics policies would likely alter the slope of that bell curve on one side.

 

Frankly I would consider an IQ 90-ish and under a problem in the shifting workforce and technology so it would be about 20% of the population who might be unemployable I by the end of the century unless a person has a prodigious genius for something like art and can naturally do this to make a living your average box packer of today will be a robot in likely the next thirty years.

 

Good thing the U.S. has been getting Mexico's "best & brightest" for the past four decades.

 

That's changing, Colleges are now teaching trade school stuff

There is no reason we should put students into strata and single out those who didn't pass a test, ( which Einstein would probably have failed, he was lousy at tests), when they were 14. Of course there's no real reason we should send our kids off to a violent prison to "git book larned" anymore either but all the cons still want to do it because it preserves an institution everybody involved with hates and since it mainly causes misery must be a good thing.

 

As is often the case, I've. No idea what you mean. Are you anti school and anti standardized testing?

 

Yes, both

We have the internet, no real need for schools of any sort except for Universities anymore.

 

You are aware that children thrive on community, productivity, and routine, right?

 

Uhhuh, and we have an economic "downturn" and the cattle cars are rolling again. Thank you Professor Ploetz

 

Some do, some don't, and such things can be far more easily provided for than in a violent prison setting