10% of the population has an IQ lower than 83, what this means

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  1. OldManOnFire

    OldManOnFire Well-Known Member

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    How many times do you mention 'parents' here;

    You don't understand how this works. A school cannot make a child do well unless parents have already (and continue to) done the groundwork. It has to start in the home. And yes, that's the point ... a school is 'society', and can do nothing about bad parents. All we can do is not be bad parents ourselves. Asians don't get to where they are in this regard because their schools changed. They get there because Asian parents expect their kids to work hard at education, and are willing to self-sacrifice and provide the support which that entails.
     
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    OldManOnFire Well-Known Member

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    What might be the percentage of 'one supportive functional parent' to all parents? I suspect it's quite difficult to expect even one 'supportive function parent'...
     
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    We had relatively good education until parents destroyed it by taking discipline out of schools and allowing students to treat teachers as their pals instead of their educators.Teachers need to be respected by those they educate.
     
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    difficult to be sure...I've met more than a few two parent families that were dysfunctional...
     
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    I had zero respect for abusive drill Sargent type teachers...respect is always a two way street, instructors that are able to interact with students respectfully have always been the best teachers...
     
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    If we're talking eugenics, I think we should start by sterilizing people who don't understand that IQ is DEFINED as a normal distribution....
     
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    there are many eugenics strategies that may combat this problem immediately, first and foremost is building the wall to keep out the low iq poor immigrants.

    that way natural selection will eliminate them from the gene pool in their own savage third world countries.

    here at home we can take measures like pinching the welfare teat, which will halt the incentive for reproduction abruptly. longer term proposals include mass vaccinations that sterilize, food poisoning, and propaganda to slowly demonize.
     
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    1) there is something we can do (as individuals). we can refuse to be crappy parents.

    2) educated parents are not a prerequisite for educated children.

    3) your education system is NOT THE PROBLEM.
     
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    Many. Because they are the decider of educational outcomes.
     
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    You're mistaken, actually.

    The manner of teaching is not what determines the response from students. The individual student's character is what decides it. An 'abusive drill sargent' will get as good an outcome as the 'friendly and respectful' teacher, if the children they are instructing have been raised to be resilient and motivated.

    In an aside, it's a also a mistake to think respect necessarily looks friendly. There are many situations in life where the most respectful action has the appearance of 'cruelty'.
     
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    Pfft, I could have told you there's a ton of dumb people on the planet - why are people acting surprised??
     
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    No one is 'dumb'. That is, no one who is neurologically intact (no birth defects or brain injuries).

    Dumbness doesn't exist. Mental laziness, however, is very common.
     
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    Are you saying there's no such thing as dumb people?
     
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    Absolutely. Unless you're physiologically brain impaired (by injury or birth defect), you have as much potential for intelligence as anyone else. There is no such thing as 'dumbness'. Believing that there is, is positively medieval.
     
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    IQ isn't fixed, it can be adjusted /improved with education ...but not everyone has the same cognitive ability...
     
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    Correct, but cognition differs according to the way it's been fostered (or taught) from birth. Cognition is a function of synapse, and synaptic pathways are triggered to firm up (effectively, strengthened) by one means only ... the regular, close, eye to eye, focused engagement of a primary carer in infancy and early childhood.
     
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    my buddy who just happens to be a Neurologist would disagree...synapse growth can be maintained/encouraged by stimulation, "never stop learning" as he put it...
     
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    Of course. When did I say it 'stops'?

    But this isn't about on-going enhancement, it's about the INITIAL triggering of synaptic pathways. That happens in infancy (and early childhood, to a lesser extent). The way those pathways are laid down ... IOW, how 'strong' they are - and the more focused, eye to eye engagement an infant has with a primary carer, the stronger the pathways will be - will impact learning ability later on.
     
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    I may have misunderstood, apologies :)
     
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    I love the laziness in this comment. Where is your reference to your notion of neurology? Sorry, let's have some effort!
     
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    Oh, you don't know about synaptic pathways, and how they're triggered and strengthened? You'll find it most interesting, when you start looking into it :)
     
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    Eugenics is just veiled conformity. IQ tests a very limited range of human intellect and has an inherent bias to certain thought patterns and skillsets, while ignoring others.

    It fails utterly to test for wisdom or creativity, as examples.

    Eugenics innevitably can only serve to remove individualism from humanity and stifle the progress that results from diverse thought processes.
     
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    For example, self-discipline. A very wise woman, a respected expert in a field associated with the science of learning, once said that the key quality which for success (in relationships, education, careers, parenting, health, etc etc etc ... aka, everything), is self-discipline.

    Without it (self-discipline), your genius IQ amounts to nothing. With it, your 'low' IQ is irrelevant.
     
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    Please review problem solving and your questions...
     
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    Sorry, I have no idea what you're trying to say/ask.
     

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