11 year old rape victim given to c section instead of abortion

you go back to the night of the rape of the 11 year old, woudl you prevent the rape... thus preventing the child from ever being born?

 

No one’s right to life allows them to use another person’s body against that person’s will.

 

And the vaccination analogy?
Do you believe progressives on the Left who are trying to push forced vaccinations are hypocritical?

The Left tries to force people to do all kinds of things.

Or are you going to change your argument to "It's not okay to force people to use their bodies, except in smaller ways" ?

 

There'd be no point, if going that far back in time would just end up causing 10 other girls to get raped who wouldn't have otherwise been.
I'd only try to change the future in this situation if the future hadn't already happened.

If there was some way I could be guaranteed that the only way the future (at the moment I decided to go back) would be affected is the girl would not be raped, then yes, I would go back and try to prevent it.

That's kind of like asking if there was some wonderful saintly person but her father was an evil man who deserved to die, would you go back and kill him, even though it meant that his daughter would never have been born.

It's certainly not in any way exclusive (or particularly unique) to the abortion debate.

Pro-lifers oppose Abortion because it kills, not because it prevents babies from coming into being. You can be Pro-Life without specifically wanting more babies to be born.

If Catholics were all just about more babies being born, why would they force their priests and nuns to practice celibacy? Why not be more like the Mormons? (who are a lot more permissive on the issue of abortion, by the way)

 

Oh, like you're not guilty of minimizing Abortion.

 

Plenty of abortion supporters here who think it would be fine to force her into abortion, and that the parents should be able to decide.

If she's too young and naive to even realize she's pregnant, like several pro-choicers in this thread have claimed, how can you say she really knows enough to make the choice to choose abortion?

(and if she did realize she was pregnant, there's some responsibility on her part for choosing to wait that long)

Do you think it's fine for an 11-year-old to go through abortion? To go through the trauma of knowing the baby inside if her has been killed? (That on top of the trauma she already had of knowing a baby from the rape was inside her)

An abortion wouldn't have taken away all the [psychological] trauma of being pregnant.
Knowing the baby was killed wouldn't have taken away all the trauma of knowing she had been made to have a baby. (Yes, she still knows she had a baby even if it never got born)

She was probably unconscious for the c-section so didn't have to see it.
So she didn't have to "give birth" in the conventional sense.
Might have even been psychologically easier on her than having some old male doctor shove stuff up her vagina, which they would have to have done if she got an abortion.

 

how can you say she is old enough to have a baby, yet not old enough to decide not to have a baby

her childhood was stolen, and now she is a mom with a child

"Do you think it's fine for an 11-year-old to go through abortion?"

yes, it shoudl of been her choice to have the rapists baby or not, not your or mine or the governments, we do not need a nanny government forcing 11 year olds to have babies

I think the government shoudl have to give her 100k a year to raise the child, course the pro-lifers could care less about the baby after it's born

 

She's not old enough to have a baby, but she's not old enough to have an Abortion either. (Especially a 19-week abortion)

She already "has" a baby at 19 weeks, so that's the situation they had to work with.
(i.e. it's not like she came to them and said "I've just been raped, suck out my uterus now!" )

 

In some sense she already had the rapist's baby, that's the part you're not getting.

(And if you claim it's not a baby at 19 weeks, is it a baby at 23 weeks? Well then maybe she was never forced to "have a baby" at all ! )

 

I doubt she wants to raise it.

Maybe her grandma wants to raise it, since she didn't report the molestation or pregnancy to police?

 

Why do pro-choicers keep thinking not getting an abortion means you have to raise the child?

Her childhood was already stolen, didn't have anything to do with whether she got an abortion or continued gestating to give life. She was already 19 weeks along.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
ONCE AGAIN, an Anti -Choicer minimizes rape, pregnancy, childbirth....

No, I don't minimize abortion. It is what it is...

BUT YOU DID minimize rape, pregnancy, childbirth....

 

They don't.

Why do Anti-Choicers think if you get pregnant you have to gestate and give birth?

 

I didn't minimize rape in this thread.
That's a non-sequitor, because it already happened.

She was only forced to remain pregnant for 4 weeks! And it happened in Argentina.
How can pro-choicers try to base a thread off of this?

 

(Bold blue, mine)
MINIMIZING PREGNANCY

MINIMIZING it because it happened in Argentina.

I can see you minimizing the rape, "she was only raped once, what's the big deal"""

How can Anti-Choicers try to base a thread off of Building collapse abortion analogy or Audrey's Sob Story ???? NOTHING to do with abortion rights...

 

So it's ok if a baby dies just to save a woman from being pregnant for 4 weeks.

That's what you're saying.

 

If that's what she decides....Oh, and NO "baby" dies in an abortion....


WOW! You really cherry picked that post.... couldn't face the rest of it ??

 

The only thing the article reports is that the girl said "I want this thing out of me", and that's what they eventually did!!!

 

And the way she was treated - confined to hospital, lied to, refused intervention until her life was threaded - that would make her feel better??

 

That was not the issue

She was 11 years old - maintaining the pregnancy is a threat to her health and life!!

 

Only after she developed a life threatening condition - hypertension

 

Just a hypothetical. Suppose that she died. What percent of the blame for that would be on the rapist and what percent on the doctors, in your reckoning?
And what percent on whichever family member was watching her but didn't report the pregnancy so she could have gotten an abortion sooner?

 

Does having an abortion cause airborne miscarriages?

You can’t compare abortion to vaccination.

 

I believe comparison is possible.
Mathematicians would use techniques taken from game theory.
You simply multiply the risk level by the cost in life (i.e. a 10% chance of 10 people dying is equal to a certainty that one person will die).

Like I said (in that other thread about vaccines) if you choose to be vaccinated that disease shouldn't affect you, right?

 

It would make Anti-Choicers feel better...