14.5 billion years ..... a very wrong measurement.

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  1. polscie

    polscie New Member

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    Someone is saying that the universe is aahhmmm ..14.5 billion YEARS old.
    Absolutely wrong. ABSOLUTETY.

    Year. It is the term Man has decided to use as a measurement.

    My definition of what YEAR is.

    Year is the sole and internal relationship of the SUN and the Earth.

    A year is said to be one complete circle of the planet earth around the sun. If these is the case how could
    HE use this as the basis of measurement regarding the age of the U N I V E R S E ?

    Year is the one natural (if this is ever true) ralationship of the earth to the sun and now He is using this
    to the gigantic, massive, mega whatever size of the universe is.

    What a lousy intelligence He has there.

    The length of the existence of this universe cannot be measured, not unless you are its creator.

     
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    http://www.enotes.com/science/q-and-a/how-time-measured-289379
     
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    The universe is 13.7 billion years old.
     
  4. stig42

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    or there’s no creator or theirs only been so many years length of times since the universe started expanding then maybe you could count how old the dang thing is or at least how long since it started getting bigger
     
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    Thoeretical Physicists have stated if time never ends then everything that could possibly happen will...more than once. If this is true, what is the point?

    I have to believe there was a beginning of time and there will be an end of time just as the Bible states.

    String theory is an interesting concept. This theory states the smallest particle in the universe is a string whos characteristics are determined by its vibration. The Bible says God spoke the world into existence. Wouldn't it be neat if we discovered God's voice was the Big Bang that set all this in motion?
     
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    I love the way that fundiloon Christians tell us what' Theoretical physicists' tell us.

    Hilarious.
     
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    Sure it can. In fact it is exactly measured. A year is used for man in order for man to comprehend nothing further.
     
  8. polscie

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    the existence hsa been there for an unknown period of (time)..how could Man have the exact measurement of its existence?

    Year is only the internal measurement of the relationship of the earth and the sun nothing more and nothing less.....that is if it is ever correct that
    it takes 365 years for one complete rotation of the earth to the sun.

    I do not believe in this 365 days in a year measurement.
     
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    oh my gosh! really?!
     
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    how do you think the society establish this 365 days/year concept.
    do you really think the earth can rotate the earth fully in this 24 hours/365 days/year man made cycle?
    this is based on primitive thinking.


    this is my personal belief.
     
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    oh my gosh, the earth rotates the earth? No wonder we have it all messed up. You are so right, I never thought of it that way before. Does the sun rotate the sun?
     
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    The Bible teaches that the Sun orbits the earth.
     
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    hahaha 'twas all so hilarious.
    ok.

    I stand corrected.

    the earth rotates around the sun.
    let me check twice.

    once....twice.

    good.
     
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    But the Bible teaches that the Sun goes round the earth.

    So is the Bible wrong?
     
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    Where does it say that?
     
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    the bible does not teach anything.
    the bible was a compilation of written records
    of the past existence.

    this existence was exploited by those who wanted to rule the world
    by collecting those written records and naming it as Bible.

    The "Bible" was relevant in its own rights, but as of now it is not true.

    as a matter of social order the earth rotates around the sun, making the claim of the bible as false.
     
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    Since the universe has not stopped expanding...

    ... I doubt if it can be counted as rotating around anything...

    ... so therefore it has not reached it's annual (however long that may be) cycle yet.
     
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    highly interesting.

    firstly, what tells us that the universe has not stopped expanding? (I do not like to ask.... how did we know that the universe has not stopped expanding.)
    secondly, ... so therefore it has not reached it's annual (however long that may be) cycle yet. ..... if you do not accept that there is this annual cycle , how did you manage to have a perception that
    there is an annual cycle... I guess you could have stated that...." because the universe has not stopped expanding, it is therefore moving in one direction and is not making a movement that is measurable
    by any man made devise, or tools.

    but really it is interesting to join your view, that there could possibly be no rotating movement coming from the internal relationship of planet earth and the sun, that is measurable.
     
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    Strictly speaking the Sun and earth rotate around a common axis but due to the massive difference in size ebtween the two the point of revolution in within the sum itself. Also applies to the Earth/Moon. 2 stars of equal sizes will both orbit aound an area between the two of them.
     
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    A year, for the International Astronomical Union, is defined, ultimately, in terms of seconds (31,557,600 to be precise). Seconds, in turn, are currently based on a physical constant (the duration of 9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the caesium 133 atom).
     
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    Not true. You haven't accounted for mass.
     
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    Well, the reason that we use year (and decade and century and on to eon) is that it's a frame of reference. Just like the inch is a frame of reference for measurements. The idea is to communicate exactly how much time we're talking about. You can use the reference even if you don't have the origin of the measurement, it's just the frame. You don't need the king's foot to know how long a foot is, we have rulers, and yes they work for older stuff that exusted before the foot was standardized.
     
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    The 'age' of the universe is infinite, only its state changes...
     
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    I think he was eluding to that. The barycenter of mass between the two objects, which in the case of the earth and sun would still reside inside of the sun since it's so f-ing huge.

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    Weird. So you are rejecting the projection of the known age of the Universe because you question how we account for time ? Regardless, it is within our accepted knowledge of time so the answer of 13.72 +-2 bill/years is correct for us humans. Perhaps in Romulan time (or wherever you come from) it is different but who cares. Now, state the age of the Universe is really saying that in our knowledge of the CMBR (cosmic Microwave background radiation) we can see that about 380K years at redshift 1100 the universe showed it's first signs of light, we then can also calculate it back to the singularity which expanded at a rate faster than the speed of light. This is actually about reversing the redshifting that Edwin Hubble confirmed was happening. If you had really sensitive eyes things coming at you would be slightly blue in color and things travelling away from you would be slightly red in color. from this we can determine that all objects are moving away from us because that is how it would appear to us and really calculate the time it took to reverse it all back to a single point. This is accepted knowledge and if you disagree you will have to disprove that and also make your own assertion. Good luck. lol
     

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