18-year-old boy died after doctors tried to create a vagina from part of his colon

I didn’t say it was no big deal. It is a big deal when anybody dies after surgery and a family member is lost especially when the family member was so young. The problem is that you find stories about rare occurrences and use them as representative of everyday occurrences. There are many successful surgeries related to transitioning and many people living happily with their new bodies. Do you ever consider these? You deal in extremes.

I have seen many surgeries and I been involved in many cases of post-surgical care. I think my definition of extreme is probably much different than yours. I have seen some very dangerous surgeries that worked out well for the person. I have seen people come out rather simple operations and die later from complications.

Most surgeries are hard to look at but that has nothing to do with anything.

People sign consent forms for surgery and are made aware of possible outcomes.

It is actually none of your business what happened to this person. Stop using it as example to support your own opinions and extreme intolerant views. As I said, you cherry pick news and ignore those who have had successful transitions.

If you don’t like something somebody says you bring down to the childish level of insulting lefties. I might think and deal with things differently as a medical person which involves treating people like individuals with warmth, dignity, and respect and if a patient is doing something I might not personally agree with, it’s really none of my business. One can’t predict the outcomes of surgeries. The doctor who did surgery is being likened to Mengele on YouTube which is offensive. The parents are being labelled child abusers which is offensive as well. I can’t imagine running across this kind of bullshit seven years after the death.

I have already said on this site that I have a nephew who transitioned and he had top surgery. He had no post-surgical complications. He is happy with the results and happy with his life. He doesn’t want to have surgery for the lower part of his body yet and if he did the family would very much support him. There are positive stories as well and many happy transgender males and females.

 

Pretty much any surgery is like that to people who are not used to seeing surgeries. Open heart surgery requires them to make a huge cut, then crack open the rib-cage, and use tools to spread it open, and that's only the beginning. Brain surgery requires them to saw through your skull. I saw video of my own cataract surgery, and it was hard to watch them cut into my eye.

That aspect of it doesn't have much to do with the topic.

 

Many people blame society for any failures. But this time it seems to be true.

https://www.globenewswire.com/en/ne...a-remarkable-USD-3-171-3-Million-by-2032.html

 

That hit the nail on the head!

 

Did the doctors still get paid for killing this guy?

 

Yes, they no doubt would have.
It was the NHS, in a government hospital. The doctors there are not paid per procedure. They get paid a base salary plus hourly for hours worked overtime.

In the US, I am not sure specifically. In many cases the hospital will still bill for the surgery even if the patient dies (especially for surgeries where a significant risk of death already existed).
Usually a surgeon will still bill for the surgery unless they committed an obvious error that was the cause of the death or extremely severe complications.

 

So people opposed to gender treatments have been saying that they should wait til they're 18. Now we have a case of an 18 year old making a decision and we're back at it. In this case its because his brain was likely jumbled due to puberty blockers earlier in his life. Why not just admit you don't want ANYONE having gender reassignment surgeries for anyone?

 

I've never said otherwise, especially if I'm paying for it.

 

I love the mini echo chambers that exist within threads. Ignore what makes you feel ooky and dismiss what makes you feel ooky. It’s better than having to learn something new about the species to which you belong.

Nobody wins, everyone is miserable and misunderstood. Sweet.

friendly reminder that the 538 in DC give not one **** about these nonsense issues and cackle in delight at your stupidity and willingness to engage while completely ignoring them and their corrupt ways that make them richer and give them more power over you.

 

Fair point. I think it was the Progressive Democrats who started running with and pushing this transgender thing first because they didn't have any other issues to stand on, and it was too hard to deliver on the economic issues that actually mattered. Mostly in the form of spreading and cultivating a social ideology, combined with political posturing. Then there was pushback from the Republicans. It was like a wedge issue. (The Republican Party was kind of guilty of doing the same thing when it came to the issue of abortion)
I can see how it's like a giant distraction from bigger things. But still, we should not discount the victims.

 

Anymore than we should ignore malpractice that happens everyday? Let’s make ****ed up knee replacements a hot topic.

 

18-year old boys dies of infection after medical procedure

sad truth is, infections after medical procedures of all types are more common than many think

even childbirth poses the risk of infection

and as antibiotics become less viable, it could get worse

 

A very radical extreme and medically unnecessary surgical procedure, done in the name of modern gender ideology.
And a procedure which the government paid for. Likely would not have happened to this young man if government had not been doing it for free.

The point is, people like you don't believe doing this procedure was malpractice.

I'm not going to say that trying to make a comparison with knee replacement surgery is totally without merit. (A surgical procedure that is not necessary to save life and in many cases is dubious whether it is likely to provide overall increase in quality of life) But that's still a huge stretch.

I do think society is less likely to view knee surgeries as controversial since usually the people who get them are already very old and unlikely to live more than 10 or 15 more years. So it's unlikely to totally mess up their entire life like a gender change operation would be on a young 18 year old.
Just like society probably wouldn't care as much if progressives were targeting older 65 year olds to get gender change surgeries.

 

It’s none of your business related to the decisions other people make.

It is neither radical nor extreme and research has indicated it is a safe procedure.

Conclusion from one study:

“Based on evidence presently available, it seems that intestinal vaginoplasty is associated with low complication rates.”

Conclusion from another study:

“Total laparoscopic sigmoid vaginoplasty seems to have a similar complication rate as other types of elective laparoscopic colorectal surgery. Primary total laparoscopic sigmoid vaginoplasty is a feasible gender-confirming surgical technique with good functional outcomes for transgender women with penoscrotal hypoplasia”

In addition, laparoscopic surgery is the least invasive surgery there is as it does not involve making a large incision.

The NHS covers medical costs and you have no idea if this family would have been able to pay for it if it wasn’t covered. You actually have no idea if they paid for the surgery privately or not because I can’t find anything that says the NHS paid for it. Lots of people opt for private medical care and one of the reasons is long wait times for surgery.

It wasn’t malpractice. In the UK, there are guidelines related to healthcare, that every doctor must follow.

https://www.nice.org.uk/about/what-we-do/our-programmes/nice-guidance/nice-guidelines#:~:text=NICE guidelines are evidence-based,prevent ill health

“NICE guidelines are evidence-based recommendations for health and care in England. They set out the care and services suitable for most people with a specific condition or need, and people in particular circumstances or settings. Our guidelines help health and social care professionals to: prevent ill health.”

The NICE guidelines allows adults to have gender reassignment surgery. They forbid gender reassignment surgery for children. If a doctor did the vaginoplasty on a child, that would have been malpractice. In the UK, one is legally an adult when they are 18 years.

Again with your extremes. There are many post-surgical transgender people out there who are happy with their life. You go and find all the negative news and totally fail to post any positive news related to transgender surgery.

Point here is — the surgery was in no way was extreme, radical, or malpractice. I have corrected your misinformation.`

The surgery took place in 2016 and due to the increase of demands for gender related treatments the guidelines were reviewed and changed.

“LONDON (AP) — The publicly funded health service in England has decided it will not routinely offer puberty-blocking drugs to children at gender identity clinics, saying more evidence is needed about the potential benefits and harms.

The National Health Service said Friday that “outside of a research setting, puberty-suppressing hormones should not be routinely commissioned for children and adolescents.”

People under 18 can still be given puberty blockers in exceptional circumstances, the NHS said, and a clinical study on their impact on kids is due to start by next year.

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Hormone blockers can pause the development of puberty, and are sometimes prescribed to children with gender dysphoria. Transgender medical care for minors has been available in the United States for more than a decade and is endorsed by major medical associations

The issue of gender-affirming care for children is not as heated in Britain as in the U.S., where several Republican-led states have banned puberty blockers and other treatment for transgender minors. But it has been the subject of both political and legal battles.

The NHS said the new rules were “an interim policy” that would undergo further review, including the outcome of a research study on the impact puberty-suppressing hormones have on gender dysphoria in children and young people.”

https://apnews.com/article/uk-transgender-puberty-blockers-abd9145484006fea23de6b4656c937da

The NICE guidelines are reviewed continuously and adapted to current situations.

 

What’s adult does with his or her body is none of your business. Quite literally.

 

What hypocrisy!

As I said before, this whole process, which led to him getting the surgery as soon as he turned 18, began before he was adult.

It is very much our business if it's taxpayer funded!

The Left doesn't think it's 'no one else's business' if an 18-year-old wants to buy cigarettes, not to mention many other personal decisions that are being controlled and restricted.

 

The fact that the young man got the surgery as soon as he turned 18 suggests he got the surgery privately due to waiting lists in the UK.

As a taxpayer in the UK, this surgery probably would have personally cost me less the 1p. That’s less than one cent. Big deal.

As a taxpayer in the UK, I contribute to the NHS. I get free medications. My little one broke her arm one year and her leg the next year — it cost me 0. I pay nothing for medical care. I get good medical care. As a taxpayer, I understand that people might undergo treatments and surgeries that I don’t agree with but that’s between the doctors and the patients.

In 2016, the NHS and NICE guidelines specifically allowed people less than 18 years old to get puberty blockers but not without a lot of discussion to determine if the hormones were appropriate.

Do you actually live in the UK — if you don’t, it’s absolutely none of your business and go and lament about the USA medical system.

 

Well, get rid of the public funds. I can support that. What is my hypocritical position?

 

Why do you think it's only between the doctors and the patients, if it is not necessary, might be a terrible idea, is only going to be used by a specific group of people, and you are paying for it?

 

I question and am skeptical of the level of actual "discussion" that takes place.
The way I see it, there is no real proof that an actual honest and skeptical inquiry took place, and there is almost no way to hold anyone accountable for mistakes or failures of duty to properly screen patients. We probably don't even fully agree on what "proper screening" should entail.

 

I doubt that he would have gotten the gender reassignment surgery at age 18 if he had to be the one to pay for it.

You're still ignoring that the gender treatment probably began before he was 18.
This surgery was just the culmination of it all.

 

When I go in and get treatment for anything on the NHS, it’s between me and my GP and nobody else. It’s called confidentiality. I’m happy to pay for other people’s treatments because they are paying for mine. It works out well.

And this is exactly what was allowed under the NHS. It’s none of your bloody business. Just like it’s none of anybody’s business related to the sex change you just got.

 

Why would anybody want to undergo a sex change to change the physical appearance of their body, unless it was all about the business of the rest of society?
They expect everyone else to see them as a woman, and in many cases expect to be treated as one by other people.

 

The reasons why people do things is their own business. Not yours. All you do is condemn people for their choices because you don’t approve of their choices. If I dye my hair purple, it’s because I feel better for making myself appear as I want to appear. I couldn’t give one ***** about what anybody else thinks. You don’t understand that people make changes for themselves. At the end of the day, it’s none of your business. You are an intolerant rightie who can only condemn what isn’t normal in your eyes. I think I will go out and have a late term abortion just to spite you and then change myself into a man, and when I’m done all that I will turn myself into a drag queen and go indoctrinate little children into becoming drag queens.

 

If it was truly all their own business, they wouldn't be expecting someone else to pay for it.