1957 vs 2017 Are things better?

Some still do.

 

It is a well known and widely discussed fact:

For instance:

http://www.nber.org/papers/w14969

They probably weren't happy about the water fountains, but they were no doubt happier about their family life. Happiness has its origins in a strong faith life and a strong family life, both of which used to be stronger in the 1950's for Blacks, especially family life.

 

Definitely 1957

We could watch Laurel and Hardy sleeping in a bed together
and not ponder sexuality.

I grew up in California in the fifties and everyone was something and who cared.
The racial and ethnic n'hoods of the Midwest and East were "strange" by far west standards.

TV scripts were being written by Hitler escapees and proven talented people.
Today script writing is sad, except for Lucifer but they have a comic book to follow and comic book authors are. .

And most important to me, in 1957 - if you worked your job, you could afford a home.
Today home ownership is beyond reach of hard working people.
The ratio of CEO to worker income was not as great as today.


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Actually it was Dr. Benjamin Spock who advocated raising children to be undisciplined spoiled brats where you never never spanked your child for burning down the house and award your child a trophy for just getting out of bed in the morning. He's from that generation before the Greatest Generation. He was a counter-culture anti Vietnam war activist. Basically he was a leftist loon.

I think he might have been a commie.

 

Mom was not the spanking mom type. My birth father was way more likely to spank than my step dad. I was maybe 12 when Mom remarried and she married a super guy. And none of the children were his. He and mom never had kids. He would get asked by mom to spank one of the kids. Frankly I just do not recall him spanking yet I am pretty sure he must have. None of we kids of moms ever chatted about it at all. He was much larger than we were. Maybe we were scared. I dunno. I was 23 and in the Army in Basic and I recently pulled out a photo of him and me and he looks like two of me and at that time I weighed 190. He appeared to be large enough to play tackle for a pro football team. My birth father was slimmer than me and might have weighed 140 pounds. But he did pick up the belt. He belted me one time. As a rule, if I felt the need to pull pranks, I made certain it was where nobody could pin the blame on me. I recall why I got spanked. I broke a window in a new house. My cousin urged me to bust out the window.

I raised with my former wives two daughters. Both were just great kids.

As step kids, with wife 1, there was a boy and girl. The boy did get hit by me one time. I followed up by apologizing. He had done something really bad and I belted him. But that was too harsh. I did not injure him. The girl was not spanked. My former wife was pretty harsh with those two kids. Not in spanking, but forcing them to do chores at lousy times of the day, such as when she would get home from her job at 2 am. No kid should be yanked out of bed and forced to clean up one plate in the sink. We had a very good dishwasher anyway. Me, I would pick up the plate and put it into the dishwasher. She would make the kids get up and work for quite a bit of time. I was normally sleeping but caught her a few times. She had her son out in the yard yanking up weeds early in the AM too. That to me is worse than spanking. Her screaming at the kids was troubling too.

Wife 2 did not believe in spanking. I never laid a hand on her kids but did grab her oldest son and talked in an angry tone that if he ever beat up his two younger brothers again, I would take him outside and beat the hell out of him. He never touched the boys again. And he was 19 I think at the time. What it did for the two younger brothers is show them they had a protector. All 3 kids and i get along today and they are grown with kids of their own now. They are great adults.

 

But I bet the vast majority of them just not knew who their fathers were but had a father at home.

I don't remember that much black on black crime during the 50's and 60's.

 

Thankfully Mom never bought his book. Frankly until dad was in his 70s, I don't recall him reading much of anything. Mom was a reader. I was reading by age 4 at the latest. There was no books to read so I got my hands on the newspaper before ever going to school. Grandfather lived a couple blocks away and he had good books which I read at his house.

I never followed any books on raising kids. Common sense, love and caring works very well.

 

I bought my first home in 1965, early in the year escrow closed. A 3-2 with a 2 car garage but to me it was pretty good. I added the next house in 1972, and that year I actually bought a much larger family home with a pool and large yard, plus another small house in a good neighborhood plus a flat top to be rented out. I was finally hitting my stride selling real estate.

 

Where I went to high school, we had a huge student body. I mean the high school looked like it was a university and included two campus. Campus 2 was for farming students. It had a lot of land plus an old house and a large barn and a water tank with windmill that was not working. Campus 2 today has a high school on it.

Campus 1 had 2 full football fields. The upper field also was the track field. We could play the Varsity down on the main field which had lights and a stadium then the upper field could handle the JV team. They played only day games. I think the hill with the high school initials still is on that hill. It was a few years ago and the school i went to was ripped down in the early 70s. Said it was not earthquake safe. The school to replace it to me looks crappy. They saved a lot of money by making it more modular. The school i attended is here. This was prior to adding more similar buildings.



Better shot. Far left we had an enormous boy gym and more left were most of the shops. Behind this huge building was a 2 level series of buildings for languages. Left of that was the math and science building which was 2 stories.

Way back was the wood shops and the agriculture classes and garden grounds. We had a rifle range as well. The building one sees to the right is the girls gym and out of sight was the social study classes and school cafeteria.

 

I have to concur because that's what I remember.

The fast order cook at the drug store lunch counter lived down the street and owned his own home that he raised his family in.

The milk man, the Helms Bakery truck driver, the Good Humor ice cream truck driver all owned a home and had families.

Even a labor digging ditches could afford to buy a home if he found himself getting married and having children.

 

California had magnet schools back then.


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With the spanking thing, the idea is that negative reinforcement is bad because parents are supposed to provide positive reinforcement. Providing negative reinforcement means that kids will learn that fear is a proper parental tool in the toolbox.

It's good to think of parents as fire. If you do things correctly, fire will keep you warm and make your food taste good. If you do things incorrectly, you end up with burnt fingers. The fire doesn't care which way you wanna go about it, but there are consequences to your actions.

It's not violence, anymore than it is violence to stop your child from wandering into traffic.

 

I remember my mother talking about Dr. Spock and his book. My dad said the guy was a kook.

 

Yup I think one of the factors but I could say that the big chunk of influence did came when an article was published by certain Pediatrician titled "Battered Child Syndrome" way back 1962.
http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/327895

It made a lot of influence and was even more augmented by publications such as Newsweek, Life, Saturday Evening Post, and Parents magazine. That was made as a precursor for congress to put new emphasis with child protection with amendments to the social security act in 1962. The law was based on actual findings.

I think it's quite possible because sometimes a father will get drunk, a mother would have episodes of uncontrollable anger, meaning not all parents are perfect and the children are so fragile to withstood their punishment out of passion and not really to discipline.

 

This shot gives a better view since you can see quite a bit to the rear. The tall building i said was 2 stories was 3. That had physics, chemistry, biology, etc and etc and we had the chess club in the building.

What is not there came later. The gym was huge. One reason is it also had a bunch of class rooms.

A poster pointed out it was a magnet school. At that time I never heard of a magnet school. But the school served not just Hayward, CA but Castro Valley and San Lorenzo plus unincorporated areas.





Close shot where you see the school name.

Folks, not to bore you, but you ought to see today what the current kids must put up with.



They took up a collection to restore the Block H and create a walking path to and around this. This is awful. When i was there it normally looked new. This was behind the school and next to the upper football field. Who has gone to a high school with two full football fields?

Kids from other schools loved to paint it in their school colors ahead of a football game.



I forgot to mention....

Jack Del Rio who coaches the Oakland Raiders football team graduated from this school as well. unfortunately for him, he came later and had to attend the newer but lousy school now there.

Jack's father and i were friends in high school. We played on the football team.

 

In 1956, one of my thrifty pals bought his first home and laid out a down payment on a price of maybe $8500 if that much. My first purchase early in 65 cost me $15,500 and my payment including everything was $119 per month. I was making gross about $800 per month as a journeyman pile butt. We drove piling under heavy objects. We did bridges, skyscrapers, pipelines and on and on. If it was heavy and was not to settle, engineers called for piling under the item. We drove all over Northern Ca and I ended up getting tired of all that traveling. And staying out of town for a week at a time in many cases.

 

Lol...Nice lunatic fringe take on what ails America.
In 1957, I remember the supermarkets in Miami all had separate water coolers for the negroes that were nothing more than a bare water spigot while the one for whites next to them were always large refrigerated water fountains.
What bummer, eh?
Too bad those negroes got uppity.

 

Since I have never seen that, explain how it was to drink from the negro fountain?

 

LMAO...So segregation is now called fake news by the deplorables, eh?

 

What lies have I told ?, they've all come from you as you deny that men ever beat their wives or children.


...it would be illogical and sound quite senile for one to say something never existed if they personally hadn't experienced it....

 

Yes,, there seems to be those who claim if they didn't see it it didn't exist...so even George Washington didn't exist for some....well, unless they're so old they SAW George Washington.......and that could be the case here....

 

Sorry, using your "logic" none of that happened because I didn't see it

Or doesn't your Little Rule apply to you?....




....well, maybe your ""I was ........ a journeyman pile butt"" was true

 

Yes, it's true which is probably why they reacted so strongly to my:

"""""""I never stated ALL men beat their wives but some DID and it wasn't even considered a crime in YOUR "good old days"..."""""


Those who are trying to deny it happened...well , maybe they have a hard time facing it....

 

Some were justified or at least understandable.

 

And men still beat their wives and girlfriends (now that many fewer actually get married).

Do you have any evidence that spousal abuse is any less common today than fifty years ago? That is what you are implying.