We don't have a problem in Cleveland putting fans in seats. You're talking about one of the most loyal fan bases in sports. They put a (*)(*)(*)(*) poor team on the field year after year and the stadium is packed for every game. Want to sell some jerseys? Fine, but let's not pretend that pick was centered around the best option available for Cleveland, as usual.
Houston doesn't need a qb? My prediction based on nothing more than just my gut, that I will follow quietly over the next few seasons to see how close I came to the mark.... Clowney will not do well in Houston. He won't perform to expectations and begin (and blame it on) conflicts with teammates. After a couple of mediocre seasons, they will trade him off where he will quietly slip into mediocraty and retire unceremoniously and be chalked up as another 1st overall pick bust. If Maziel took the EXACT SAME PATH for Houston, at least Maziel would put butts in seats for a season..... Clowney will not.
Yes, Houston needs a QB. My 'insane' remark was referring to taking Manziel with the first overall pick. Secondly, that's a bizarre prediction really based on nothing. Clowney is a very rare physical beast. It's possible he may tank, but that opinion isn't based on what he's done on the field, his physical attributes, etc. He has a great chance of succeeding in Houston with JJ Watt on the other side of the line.
oh I agree, he's a beast, physically speaking. But I'm not basing this on nothing. his entire "benching himself to recover" when he was cleared to play was a selfish motivation to make sure he protected his draft position.... he showed his charector and heart that as soon as it's not about him... he won't give it his all or will do as little as possible. His physical ability has allowed him to accell despite his work ethic..... in the NFL.... I think his ethic will get exposed and he won't be able to make up the difference based on his physical abilities alone. but, like you implied.... I could be WAY off base here, and that's fine. I will just watch and see is all.
It's possible, I guess time will tell. He's going to either have try to fail or run into injuries though IMO. With Watt on the other side, he's going to have a great opportunity to make big plays on a regular basis. I was pleased to see the Browns get the Bills first round pick next year and only drop a few positions for it, but I would have loved to see Cleveland get Sammy Watkins with that early pick. Oh well. The Bills and Browns will both suck this year so maybe next year we will have two top 10 picks.
Give him a chance, on the surface it may look like a bad pick...but even a good pick on the surface, doesn't always pan out. I'm not in the Cleveland TV market, but I can guarantee I look forward to watching them play now.
Why is that? I'm not sure he's even good enough to start over Hoyer. I'm damn confident Hoyer is a better passer. Playing in the most physical division in football, in cold weather, this kid is going to kid bounced around. I'd love to be wrong, but it was a stupid pick IMO. I see Tim Tebow II here.
From what I'm reading on the internet, most of the discussion is not completely negative regarding the pick. How long do you think RGIII is going to last in the NFL? Pocket passers do ok, it's the runners who take the worst beating. Regarding tickets...here's an article for you Kronik. http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2014/st...season-tickets-sales-soar-johnny-manziel-pick Not everyone in Cleveland hates the pick.
Look, this kid is probably the most overhyped nfl prospect I've seen in the last 5 years. He leaves the pocket often times before it even collapses, he throws 50/50 balls up 7-8 times a game, he'll be one of the shortest QBs on any roster...I really could go on and on about this, it's a shorter version of Tim Tebow all over again. This kid is NOT a top 5 passer in this draft. He's great at extending plays with his legs at the college level, but just wait until he starts running into the Terrell Suggs types of this division. You're going to find people that buy into hype, but these are not the types that typically even understand breaking down game film into what this kid really is. There were people picking him to go #1 for god sakes. Outside of my dumbass Browns who haven't picked a QB worth a (*)(*)(*)(*) since I was a baby, no one wanted this kid in the first round, and it's because hype has nothing to do with this kids actual skill set.
Same crap happened with Tebow. Tweets don't win games, players do. And when I heard Haslam was convinced to pick Manziel after a homeless guy suggested it, I launched my tv remote into the wall. Idiots running the show in Cleveland.
Manziel physically took an overmatched A+M and beat Duke in the bowl game this year.... Last year, he surprised the world by beating Bama.... But you are right... the difference at the NFL level is going to be a lot more punishing on a body on a week in and week out basis for a much longer season.... He's athletic... but how resiliant is he is the question.... - - - Updated - - - Manziel will put butts in seats though
He's 6' even, 207 lbs. My exact Ht./Wt. Seems small for an NFL QB, but who knows. Clowney is by far one of the best athletes to emerge from the draft but athleticism doesn't always translate to success at the QB position. Football is ultimately a business, and often times personality drives interest. This is the success of the NBA which thrives on personality players... Someone was going to take the plunge with Manziel, if not the Browns, maybe the Vikings. He might be a wasted pick, but as already discussed, on occasion the great picks on paper, are busts. It's always a crap shoot. Kurt Warner went in the low rounds, ended up playing Arena football until he finally got a chance and he won a Super Bowl with the Rams..meanwhile head case Eric Crouch who went in the 1st round was a complete bust, never played an NFL game. He may not replace Hoyer right away, I don't know...but he's a personality and will generate buzz for the NFL which translates into revenue.
If there were empty seats at a Browns game, you might have a point there. That hype will die rather quickly in this league though. If you're not winning, you're a bum rather quickly in this league. There's a reason the average RB has a career of 2.3 years in the NFL. Manziel is going to get hit, and a lot for a QB. If he starts and plays the way he has, I'd be willing to bet he'll be out by game 8 or 9. It's no longer 19 year old guys arm tackling him, it's 25 year old steroid beasts wanting to rip his head off, just praying he leaves that pocket. Hope I'm wrong, but doubt I am.
Clowney is a defensive end, not a QB. But I guess we will see. I would love to be wrong. As a fan I'm not interested in jersey sales, I want a winning team for once. Browns fans take it up the ass from this team and organization so often I guess I should just be content if he ends up bombing. Again, hope I'm wrong, but I've got he lube in wait for another screwing from the Browns.
At least one analyst agrees with you. He has numbers in his short college career similar to Andrew Luck, and Luck is proving to be potential elite QB in the NFL. What Manziel has against him is his size, he's on the short side and not the classic 6' 2" - 6' 5" range of a Brady or Manning. He's young, he's only 21 and on the immature side. His instinct is to run and make plays and in the NFL that's how you get hurt. I'm reluctant to write him off without having played a single down, but aside from the hype and legitimate numbers to back up his arrogance...the NFL is a whole other level to Division I collegiate football. I'm not sold on him either, but being a St. Louis Cardinals football fan and now a Rams fan, I'm used to wasted picks and mediocre teams...aside from the Kurt Warner days of the Rams. One year, I can remember the StL Cardinals drafted a place kicker in the 1st round, a complete bust. It's a gamble, no matter who gets picked, often times the relative unknowns, turn into elite players in the NFL and on occasion the hype materializes into reality. We see that with Andrew Luck. Alot of hype initially, and now he's settled into his QB position leading a previously 2 or 3 win a year Colts team to the playoffs. The owner made the decision to go with Manziel and it's his money ultimately to do with as he pleases.
Drafting Manziel may sell some tickets, but conventional wisdom would suggest taking a more solid QB prospect like Derek Carr in that spot. I guess that is why the Cleveland Browns are what they are. LOL
Are they done drafting and if so, is there a complete list somewhere? Sorry for being so ill informed, but I am curious about a few things.
and 0 national championships in 2014 lol FSU had 7 go.... although I think Freeman and Benjamin should have stayed one more year. But Benjamin went 1st round, so it's hard not to go as a kid when all you can risk is career ending injuries at college for nothing but a meal plan... I did read, Texas Longhorns failed to get anyone drafted for the first time since 1937.... that is "fail" on more levels than I thought possible... I see UF had 4 total drafted (none in round 1)
speaking of UF, a couple went to Philly in their post-draft free agent buying spree what is Kelly up to now?
Chip Kelly, the coach. Why did they go after so many rookie free agents? Is he trying to recreate a crew who aren't "polluted" with the traditional NFL thought process
it's finally going to be an interesting NFL season will Bortles and Storm Johnson draw Orlando people to JXVL and will they be able to remove the tarp from a section or 2? Will Johnny Football get the nod and how will he do? Will Mallett get traded to Houston and how will the division deal with one of the best "backup" QB's who hasn't yet gotten his moment. That guy can play and has a rocket launcher of an arm How many bumps will Brady take before he sidelines himself Will Metzenberg get the starting role for the Titans. He comes from a year of Cam Cameron so he has a leg up on other rookies
