2017 Referendum

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  1. unbiased institute

    unbiased institute Member

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    So 2017 is the year in which the UK decides its fate within the EU.
    I came across a BBC article which provides some interesting arguments for and against.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32793642
    Excerpt from article
    Personally I think the UK should leave the EU although seek to be a part of the EEA which I believe is what many Britons were happy with.
     
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    I agree. As long as we can control our borders.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If Cameron loses this referendum we can only hope he'll have the decency to disappear into well-deserved political obscurity. Like that's a possibility! He'll make Blair look positively humble!
     
  4. unbiased institute

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    That's possible as the EU and its associated issues are of great concern to most Britons.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't have enough confidence in the intelligence of the Great British Public to say 'most', but I would think quite a few.
     
  6. unbiased institute

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    Well lets hope that you're mistaken and that the results will speak for themselves on the day of the referendum.
    I can understand the scepticism as voter turnout tends not to be particularly high.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's the section of the electorate which does turn out that I don't have any faith in. God but I can't wait to see the back of this fool who presumes to govern us.
     
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    Better off in: An "amicable divorce" is a pipe dream, pro-EU campaigners argue. France, Germany and other leading EU nations would never allow Britain a "pick and mix" approach to the bloc's rules. Norway and Switzerland have to abide by many EU rules without any influence over how they are formed and have to pay to access the single market. Negotiating a comprehensive free trade agreement could take years and have an uncertain outcome. And if Britain went for a completely clean break with the EU its exports would be subject to tariffs and would still have to meet EU production standards, harming the competitiveness of British business.

    I saw this article last year, but nothing I've read or heard of since refutes this uncomfortable point.

    Until it does, I'll be voting to stay in.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Better off out. I'm sick of hearing foreign tongues telling us what we can and can't do. So there!
     
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    Not so. It will very likely be this June, or latest September (2016).

    Cameron wants it out the way before this year's migration crisis is uppermost in people's minds - yes, he thinks we're that retarded that we'll have forgotten about last year's. And he's very probably right.
     
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    Norway basically dictates its own terms. have a watch of this video:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfEo_TNllk4
     
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    Time to leave the EU, they have nothing good to offer the UK.


    Our trade with EU is in -ve so they have more to loose than we do. We will have control of our our political policies, human rights, work legislation & border control. We can let in anyone we wish without being forced to accept them by foreign politicians.

    Plus we are all members of GATT & WTO so we have no fears (that will be trown at us in the run up to the referendum) about loss of trade if we leave the EU.
     
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    BBC liars.

    The BBC is anti-American, anti-Isreal, pro-EU, pro-Leftwing, anti-RightWing.

    In short I never rely on anything that the BiasBBC ever post... what so ever.
     
  15. unbiased institute

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    Oh yeah. I don't think I was paying enough attention to the referendum; work and all that.

    I think the EU has been on a lot of peoples minds even before the migration crisis however I think the crisis has added fuel to the fire of EU scepticism.
     
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    Honestly, this whole referendum tactic really gets on my nerves. Referendums are the latest tool used by politicians who want to get their way and look democratic doing it, and they hardly ever present a meaningful choice. The referendum staged by SYRIZA on the bailouts in 2015 was a textbook example of this.

    The British referendum of 2017 is no different. It offers a proxy choice: a choice between staying in what is in effect a red tape-covered, neoliberal contraption, imposing austerity on everyone to pay for the mistakes of a few, and an exit driven by xenophobia and reaction. Both options are awful. The best option would be to boycott the referendum.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Which would mean the status quo being maintained, and that's exactly what the parasites and opportunists who are a part of the EU, and politicians and elitists of member states with an eye to lucrative futures want.
     
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    Or anything you don't like.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You forgot pro-gay, lunecat. And it's obsessed with all things 'space' too. Tell them you're 'a cosmologist' and they'll believe every word you tell them irrespective of how ridiculous. And to think I once had so much respect in our national broadcaster. Now I have nothing but contempt.
     
  20. unbiased institute

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    I find the BBC pretty balanced which is very rare.
    So is there any evidence in particular which you believe corroborates with your view?
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Only that it employs a disproportionate number of homosexuals, and spends an inordinate amount of time interviewing space boffins.
     
  22. unbiased institute

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    Do you believe that certain employees were hired solely on the basis of their sexuality? Also how much time do you want BBC to allocate to astronomy?
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Indubitably!

    As little as possible because I find it sooooooooo BORING.
     
  24. unbiased institute

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    So where's the bias?
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ask that again using different words. I don't know what you mean.
     

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