4 in 5 Americans Want Less Immigration

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  1. tharock220

    tharock220 Well-Known Member

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    Yup, boomers are retiring and millennials who have degrees in things like gender studies are not qualified to replace their parents.
     
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    It isn't just Mexicans. Look at the link from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. Unemployment among immigrants is as good as anyone else.

    https://www.bls.gov/news.release/forbrn.nr0.htm

    Do a little reading before you make a fool of yourself. I have stories as well that go back to the Clinton years giving more IT jobs to immigrants while U.S. citizens were still getting their education, and then the salaries dropped out for IT workers and it never recovered since then.

    AGAIN, why don't you want to protect American workers' WAGES AND JOBS? Could it be because you are an immigrant?

    Steve
     
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    Your data has no context, but from your link....

    Foreign-born workers were more likely than native-born workers to be employed in
    service occupations and less likely to be employed in management, professional,
    and related occupations.

    Once again, if you're competing for scarce jobs with immigrants, legal or otherwise, you're your own biggest problem.
     
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    That still doesn't explain 95 MILLION CITIZENS that have dropped out of the labor force.

    Like I said, neither of us knows why they dropped out, but I bet millions would reenter the job market again if wages were higher.

    Steve
     
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    That's a pretty dumb idea but, how do you measure assimilation? What metrics do you use to measure when one has assimilated? What criteria do they need to meet? Also, what defines American culture?
     
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    Well if they're too good to work I feel no sympathy. Illegals or no illegals, there would be a more people looking for service jobs than jobs available.

    I don't think it's unreasonable to make knowing English a bare minimum.
     
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    Yeah, that's how the job market works, but again you are assuming only low-paying service jobs are the reason why we have 95 MILLION CITIZENS that have dropped out of the labor force.

    Since you refuse to answer why you DON'T want to protect American workers' wages and jobs, I can only assume you are an immigrant, or are in favor of protecting businesses from paying higher wages. I think the most likely of the two is that you are an immigrant yourself.

    Steve
     
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    No, I never made that assumption. You made it for me. There are a lot of experienced professionals and executives who lost their jobs in the 09 crash. Those people aren't affected by immigration. Your link said as much.

    You're just repeating a slogan. I'm not interested in protecting anybody's job or wages. That's solely the responsibility of the individual.
     
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    Ya know what does?

    Retirement
     
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    95 million people didn't retire, at least willingly. When immigration laws are finally enforced for the first time in decades, then we will see our economy boom like it never has before.

    Steve
     
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    Requirement that English is a recognized first language would be a nice start. Remove the press *2 from every phone recording.
     
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    Over what span of time?

    Got a link?

    Not that you'd exaggerate or cherry pick facts but...
     
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    There are some Americans who were forced into early retirement in 2009. That's not debatable, but those people aren't losing their jobs because of immigrants. I saw a lot of older employees at my company shown the door. They could be replaced in the near term by two entry level hires for less money and when things improved those new workers were autonomous and productive.
     
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    Perhaps we should only grant citizenship after the performance of a school shooting.
     
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    That is the corporate state, human beings are nothing but expendable commodities, tools to be leveraged in the search of profit margin growth to infinity.
     
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    What you describe is illegal...although not uncommon.

    Gotta love business in America. Corporations will set you free huh?
     
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    That's the very nature of business. Buy labor, materials, and facilities, and sell it for more than you paid.
     
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    Give us all bad haircuts and identical ugly clothes and you can call us North Korea
     
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    It's not illegal. They weren't laid off because they were old, they were laid off because they were high paid. It's sucks, but that's how it works If things are going well those years of experience are really valuable. When things are slow they can be a liability.
     
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    Take your BS lying link and stick it where the sun doesn't shine. Even it says, "37.5 million are age 65 and over . . . "

    A problem you evidently AREN'T aware of is that job seekers that are over 45 y/o have extreme problems getting rehired again in the job market. I think that's where a big part of the problem lies.

    But there are still those young people, and minorities who have been suffering without jobs.

    So I have to ask you as well, WHY IS IT THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO PROTECT AMERICAN WAGES AND JOBS?

    The economic growth would be a benefit to us all.

    Steve
     
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    Ohh they have a real case if they choose to push it
     
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    And human beings, right.
     
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    Yup, that's how it "works" all right.
     
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    I repeatedly asked you for a link to your claim and you provided none.

    I did your homework for you and found out what?

    That you were being less than truthful?

    Oh...

    And your response was to attack my source?

    Great...let's see what you can come up with
     

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