42 killed after US Air Strike near Aleppo!

Yesterday, a mosque in a village near Aleppo was destroyed by a bomb attack and after last reports died about 42 people!
It was initially unclear who flew this bomb attack, but later confirmed the US military had flown an attack. This attack, however, would have been a meeting of al-Qaeda members and the mosque had not been bombed. Later, the US military admitted that the bombed building was located right next to the mosque (some reports say about 15 meters away).
It is only clear at the moment that there were many victims, but not who these victims are really ... speak: were these all or predominantly these Al Qaeda members?
The fact is that the mosque was virtually destroyed. The fact is that ... if the distance of about 15 meters is correct... even the smartest US bomb will cause heavy collateral damage. This naturally opens unpleasant questions why the bomb attack was made when innocent victims were most possible!

Anyway ... I already know now that some forum members take the whole as a template to go back to the US and to put it as the evil.
Evil was that determined ... but unfortunately there is a point that makes these accusations from this anti-American and really always Pro Russian side ridiculous:
The Russians and the Assad regime have demonstrably flown just as bad bombings ... hospitals, mosques, clear civilian targets ... but they do not admit their mistakes and deny all their own mistakes, because they are "the perfect Russians who never Make mistakes"!
The Americans do not endorse this attack in any way now ... but they (still) deny certain circumstances.

Soruces? ... use google and choose your own source to read. Every mainstream and not mainstream media is reporting this!

 

The fact is that, Islamists often use human shields.

The fact is that, sometimes, there are unintended deaths in armed conflict.

The fact is that, well, war is war. Declared or not.

 

Agreed!

but then rght this pure fact should be told officially too and not some BS blabbering and fairy tales of saving innocent always and to let attacks always if innocents are in danger, as what the US tells on other hand too. Agreed by you too?

 

[QUOTE = "Mandelus, должность: 1067221480, член: 68919"] Вчера, мечеть в деревне недалеко от Алеппо был разрушен результате взрыва бомбы и после того, как последние отчеты погибли около 42 человек!
Первоначально она была неясна прилетевший этот теракт, но позже подтвердил, что американские военные прилетели нападение. Это нападение, однако, была бы встреча членов Аль-Каиды и мечеть не бомбили. Позже американские военные признали, что бомбили здание было расположено в непосредственной близости от мечети (некоторые сообщения говорят, около 15 метров).
Ясно лишь в тот момент, что там было много жертв, но не то, кто эти жертвы действительно ... говорят: это были все или в основном эти члены Аль-Каиды?
Дело в том, что мечеть была практически уничтожена. Дело в том, что ... если расстояние около 15 метров правильно ... даже смышленым США бомба вызовет тяжелый сопутствующий ущерб. Это, естественно, открывает неприятные вопросы, почему было сделано нападение бомбы, когда невинные жертвы были наиболее возможно!

Так или иначе ... Я уже знаю теперь, что некоторые участники форума принимают весь как шаблон, чтобы вернуться в США и поставить его как зло.
Зло было то, что определено ... но, к сожалению, есть точка, которая делает эти обвинения этого антиамериканская и действительно всегда Pro российской стороны смешного:
Русские и режим Асада уже демонстративно пролетели так же, как плохие взрывы ... больницы, мечети, четкие гражданские цели ... но они не признают свои ошибки и отрицать все свои ошибки, потому что они "идеальные русские, которые не делают ошибки "!
Американцы не одобряют эту атаку каким-либо образом сейчас ... но они (до сих пор) отрицают определенные обстоятельства.

Soruces? ... Использовать Google и выбрать свой собственный источник для чтения. Каждый основной, а не средства массовой информации сообщает это! [/ QUOTE]

1. Русские, которые никогда не делают ошибки

2. Западные СМИ всегда пишут ложь (помните, как западные СМИ обвиняют русских в бомбардировках гуманитарный конвой, а затем все они признали, что русские не принимали участие в бомбардировках .... Я даже не говорить о химического оружия Саддам Хусейн) Хотите иметь реальную информацию - см RT

3. сирийские власти направили официальное письмо на имя Генерального секретаря ООН Антонио Гутерриш с просьбой оказать влияние на международную коалицию во главе с Соединенными Штатами, так что она немедленно прекратить бомбардировки плотин на реке Евфрат. Разрушение плотин, как говорят сирийские власти, может привести к гибели сотен тысяч людей.

- Разрушение этих плотин, которые стали объектами ударов с воздуха, смоет и затопить города и деревни, ставя под угрозу жизнь сотен тысяч людей , живущих в этих областях. Сирийская Арабская Республика призывает Совет Безопасности выполнить свои обязательства по сохранению международного мира и безопасности и принять срочные меры , чтобы спасти регион от надвигающейся catastrophe- говорится в письме. https://life.ru/t/новости/986435/siriia_potriebovala_ot_koalitsii_vo_ghlavie_s_ssha_priekratit_aviaudary_po_plotinam

 

For the most part , I doubt the Russians know fully who and what they're dropping bombs on below, civilian, military, rebels, whatever, they are all terrorists as far as they concerned down below.

 

Вы требуете сейчас, но не от меня, что я перевожу все это?
(But now you do not ask me to translate all this?)

 

Yep ... their own statements show that they made no differences who the enemy is they are bombing. their complete behavior looks like that everyone who is fighting Assad is automatically marked with the term "terrorist"... and collateral damages as they happen are all not happening by Russian and Assad Forces attacks ... and when this is undeniable to ha happened, we still read the reaction that it was own guilt of civilians to be there.

 

You doubt because you do not have enough education. You need to read more. You are not familiar with the tactics of air strikes .... Who are you by nationality? Perhaps historically your nation is not connected with airplanes, space, science ....Therefore, you do not understand the subject. Try to study the issue. I recommend you to start with learning the designs of the Wright brothers and the work of Tsiolkovsky "Airplane or birdlike flying machine." 1895 edition

 

You have problems with the perception of the text?

 

Just think if they had a christian ban been in place..

 

Man ... I speak 3 languages more or less good + a 4th a little bit, but Russian and Russian cyrillic alphabet is not realy part of them!

 

And I am assuming you are some genius on air strikes? I see you're using an interpreter, so which means you speak poor English, no surprise, but continue getting a good education, in ENGLISH, the future language of where ever you're located. And my nation USA, is well advanced, we landed on the moon in 69, in case you haven't read, MARS probes that have landed on Mars, Hubble telescope, etc. Did the Russians land on the moon? Do they have the probes on Mars? A simple yes or no will suffice, don't get into a long insulting paragraph that I don't have enough education or I need to read more, since it's you that clearly has the deficit. I hear you say Russia wants Alaska back? You forgot to say "please", but the response will be with a high degree of certainty will be "No Thanks",! And yes the Russians do have a habit of recklessly dropping ordnances with little to no regard below, not much has changed since ww2 it seems.

 

Destroyer ... isn't it slowly time to stop this BS blabbering?

The only smart , most educated, best military having, most democratic, only truth telling media, most democratic President and democracy, and in all other circumstances leading nations is in your comments only Russia ... and all the rest of the world, particularly if being Western and for sure if being not 150% Pro Russian are automatically tribes and scum. Don't you see by your own what sort of nonsense you are spreading around so often?

if you want to be taken in any kind of circumstances serious, then stop this BS behavior and accept that Russia is not always the Paradise on world you are claiming to be.

 

I apologize. I inserted the English text. Maybe my browser translated it automatically (I have this option), and the forum saved it in Russian. I once again apologize. My fault.

I wrote the following.

 

Nobody says that Russia is always a paradise on earth .... For example, it's cold in winter in Russia.
But the problem is that the Western media and you are talking about the fact that Russia is always hell on earth. This is the problem. But this is not so.

 

Stop!!!

I never did this and if you try to remember you will see it.
Occupation of Crimean? for me OK
Giving Donbass to Russia? For me OK
Russian intervention in Syria? For me OK
Russian military and military equipment inferior to the Western things? BS and not true I often enough wrote!

Also:
Shot down of the Airliner over Ukraine? In my opinion done by Donbass rebels, but without any intention, because whatever sort of human or technical mistake! So no blaming against the Donbass rebels or telling the Russians are evil out of it!

But there a re things which I do not find OK and I told them too. OK?

 

Huh?

 

- Are you an Indian? Apaches? Sioux? Who are you, "Who has been on moon"? By the way Stanley Kubrick says that he was shooting "landing on the moon" in his studio. And remembering the "chemical weapons of Saddam Hussein," you understand - Stanley Kubrick was telling the truth.

But if we talk about the achievements in space.

The Russians

06/24/1954 - the first living creature in a spacesuit in outer space ("Fox" dog on a R-1D rocket, catapulted at an altitude of 75-80 km).
04.10.1957 - the first artificial Earth satellite
03.11.1957 - the first living creature in orbit of the Earth ("Laika" on the ship "Sputnik-2").
09/14/1959 - AMS Luna-2 reaches the surface of the Moon for the first time
10/07/1959 - the first photo of the reverse side of the Moon (AMC "Luna-3")
19.08.1960 - the first living beings who made a daily orbital flight and returned safely (Belka and Strelka).
02/12/1961 - The first spacecraft sent to Venus (the first in the history of mankind device, designed to explore other planets)
04/12/1961 - The first manned flight into space (Yury Alekseevich GAGARIN)
08/06/1961 - The first day in orbit and the dream of a man in space (Herman Stepanovich TITOV on Vostok-2 spacecraft).
08/11/1962 - the first group space flight (Vostok-3 and Vostok-4, Andriyan Grigorievich NIKOLAEV and Pavel Romanovich POPOVICH)
06/16/1963 - the first flight of a woman into space (Valentina TERESHKOVA)
12.10.1964 - the first group flight of a man into space on a multi-seat ship (Voskhod-1 spacecraft)
03/18/1965 - man's exit into outer space (Alexey Arkhipovich LEONOV)
02/03/1966 - the first "soft landing" on the Moon (AMC Luna-9)
03/01/1966 - flight of a spacecraft from Earth to another planet (AMC landing "Venus-2" on the surface of Venus)
04/03/1966 - Luna-10 station became the first artificial moon satellite
10/30/1967 - the first automatic docking of two space vehicles
01/16/1969 - the first docking of two manned spacecraft (the Soyuz-4 and Soyuz-5 ships)
10/11/1969 - the first joint flight of three ships (Soyuz-6, Soyuz-7, Soyuz-, the first welding in space
06/01/1970 - The first two weeks (to be exact, 17.8 days) in space (Soyuz-9 spacecraft).
Record the duration of an autonomous flight without docking with an orbital station (not broken to this day)
09/24/1970 - For the first time Lunar soil was delivered to the Earth by an automatic station
11/17/1970 - the first planet-ship "Lunokhod-1"
19.04.1971 - the first orbital inhabited space station "Salyut-1"
11/27/1971 - Mars-2 station for the first time reached the surface of Mars
10/22/1975 - the first photo of a solid surface of Venus
09.04.1980 - 11.10.1980 - the first six months (185 days) in space (Leonid Ivanovich POPOV, Valery Viktorovich RYUMIN)
03/23/1983 - the first space ultraviolet telescope "Astron".
21.12.1987-21.12.1988 - the first year in space (Vladimir Georgievich TITOV, Musa Hiramanovich MANAROV)
11/15/1988 - the first fully automatic flight of a spacecraft returned under the control of a computer, without the participation of a person (ICC Buran).....
And many many others.

But we must admit there is a good director in the USA - Stanley Kubrick.....However, you can also talk about other achievements. For example, "star wars" Lucas.

 

I agree that this nation tries to hide the fact that while trying to avoid collateral damage, collateral damage happens. Especially while combating animals, that use innocent humans, or where they live, worship, get treated in hospitols, or learn, as shields,

 

Who said anything about Apache, Sioux, or any native American. I may live in the Midwest, doesn't mean I'm native American, you're just assuming like everything else, a stubborn muscovite, anyway, no Stanley Kubrick didn't shoot anyway moon landing, only in his LSD days, you know what that is? Maybe try, you might make sense! Anyway, besides moon landing, Mars probes currently on Mars, not long ago a probe was landed on an asteroid, Hubble telescope, etc. You realize some of the space race was between our captured Germans and your captured Germans from ww2, like AK 47 aka stg 44 German assault rifle, Klaus Fuchs assisted your govt to obtain nukes, just to name a couple.
Here is some education for you. HTTPS://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Klaus_Fuchs&oldid=770380050.

This is one example for a clueless moskali...now you learn something today, ROFL..

 

But you continue to hide your nationality. Are you embarrassed talk about it?

 

So we did not understand each other. It's good that everything falls into place.

In this case, my comment above will be like that: "...But the problem is that the Western media are talking about the fact that Russia is always hell on earth...."
Or will you also argue that this is not so?...My comments are just a defensive reaction.

 

Danish/German heritage...and no..not embarrassed.

 

In other words, you are from the Baltic....In this case, everything falls into place.

Well. For example, Latvians. Let's study this "civilized" people in more detail.
The coast of the Baltic Sea, ie. Now - Livonia, Estland and Courland were inhabited by four peoples: Livs, Ests (Finnish tribe), Latgalians and Latvians (Lithuanian tribe).
Until the 13th century, one can not talk about any general politic. The separate tribes lived in it quite independently; Their cultural level was low. Their religion consisted in worshiping the phenomena of nature. The main god they had was the god of thunder - Perkun, to whom old age-old oaks were dedicated. In the custom were sacrifices; The horse was considered the most noble sacrifice. In the war, the inhabitants showed great ferocity and ruthlessly quartered their prisoners. The dead were burnt; Ashes from their corpses keep in the urns. At present, many such urns have been found.
A note about the merciless quartering of prisoners makes one recall the school course of the history of the Ancient World (Grade 5). Remember, the teachers told us that initially, the ancient Egyptians did not know where to put the prisoners (it's expensive to feed them) and, therefore, the prisoners were killed. And only later, they thought of using them as a free labor force. They were even called "talking livestock". Thus, a slave system arose....and civilization began.
In all, it turns out that in the 13th century, in the center of Europe, people lived which was still in the fifth millennium BC in terms of savagery. They were the Baltic tribes.
For comparison, in the "barbaric" Rus, by that time, "The Tale of Bygone Years", "The Lay of Igor's Regiment" had already been written, thus there already existed an independent Russian (non-Greek) literary tradition. I'm not even talking about stone churches, developed crafts, about a thousand-year-old statehood.
To understand the level of the cultural gap between the Russians and Germans on the one hand and Tribes of the Baltic States on the other, it is necessary to look at when a national translation of the Bible appeared in this or that people. It is obvious that in the Middle Ages any national culture had a strong religious bias and the distribution of writing could be carried out almost exclusively on the basis of studying and rewriting the Bible.
The first translation of the Bible into the Old Slavonic language was carried out by monks Cyril and Methodius (in original Slavic writing) around the 860's, ie, In the 9th century. The first translations of the Bible into German were made about the same time. (However, due to the limitations of the Roman Catholic Church, the first official German translation of the Bible appeared only during the Reformation and was made by Martin Luther in 1521.)
So, the Russians and Germans had a written language and a national religious culture approximately since the 9th century, and since the 16th century both Russians and Germans had their own national printing and the Bible in their modern language.
Now attention! "Civilized" The Baltic tribes received a Bible translated into the Latvian language only in 1694. And the man who was called simply Ernst Gluck made this transfer. German by nationality.
Then the comedy begins. The first textbook of the Latvian language was published in Riga in Russian in 1868! Thus, by the efforts of two peoples - German and Russian - "highly cultured" Latvians have received written language. True, eight hundred years later all! The Latvians themselves did not do anything for this.
Latvians have received writing just fifty years before the Chukchi! To Chukchi, Comrade Stalin presented the written language in the early 30s of the 20th century.

The attitude of the Baltic tribes to the Russians who built everything together with the Germans in the Baltic countries is well known. But let's see how the Baltic tribes treated to Germans.
For example, the German researcher Gerd Strikker, in his book "Hold Well," in a chapter called "Evangelical churches in the Baltic countries (191" writes: "The end of the First World War brought with it the formation of new states: along with Poland and Lithuania from the Russian provinces of Ostland, Estland, Livonia and Courland on the basis of language criteria emerged the state of Estonia and Latvia, after which a significant part of the upper stratum of the German population, which consisted constantly 10-15% of the population, was forced to flee to Germany ... "
In 1931 President of Latvia Karlis Ulmanis by force took the Dome Cathedral in Riga from the German community and gave it to the Latvian community. At the same time, he acted without any legal basis.
The handsome cathedral, built in the 13th century by the founder of Riga, the German bishop Albert, was erected over the centuries, like every cathedral in Europe. Finally, it was completed in the 19th century, when in him was installed the best organ in Saxony, in Eastern Europe. The cathedral was the pride of the Germans not only of Riga, but of the Germans in general.

Yes, I completely forgot, there was also a third period. In a word, we still need to consider relations on the line of The Baltic tribes - the Jews.
The Baltic countries are countries where, in the years of World War II, the percentage of local Jews died more than anywhere else in the world. After the liberation of Riga in 1944, out of 80,000 Jews in Latvia, 162 remained alive. And the Jews were killed not only and not so much by the Germans. First of all, the Latvians were zealous.
So, for example, the so-called "Latvian auxiliary security police" or, as it was also called "Victor Arajs team", destroyed about 50 thousand Jews. Here is how the eyewitnesses describe their first "case": "in July 1941, in the cellars of a large choral synagogue in the very center of Riga, there were about 500 Jewish refugees from Siauliai hiding, exhausted, frightened, full of the most terrible forebodings, women, old people and children Found shelter in the temple.
On July 4, Victor Arais and his subordinates arrived in the cars to the synagogue. They doused the walls with kerosene, overlaid the pakely, and then set fire to it. In the mothers, who tried to throw their children out of windows, of a burning building, they shot with automatic weapons. When the old walls were engaged in a powerful flame, the people of Arajs began throwing hand grenades into the windows. So 500 Jews found a martyr's end here.
With the organization of the Riga ghetto, the "Arajs team" added work. The executions of Jews became regular. They passed early in the morning in the Bikernieki forest, on the outskirts of the city.
The doomed, who were recruited from several hundred to one or two thousand, were seated in rows of ten to twenty people on the ground. Before the execution, the victims had to undress naked and put their clothes in a pile, from which later, Still excited by the killer's executions, took better things. Undressed Jews methodically, row by row, raised from the ground and built on the edge of a huge pit. Baltic killers lined up opposite, at the other end of the pit, twenty to thirty meters from their victims. They stood in two rows: the first on his knee (these were pointed at the left half of his chest), and the second - standing (they aimed at the head).
Destroying Jews, shooting all the mentally ill and "accomplices of the Communists" (at the same time their solving personal gain), "the Arais team" began to tour. For example, if one must sweep away several Belarusian or Russian villages from the face of the earth, or help "solve the Jewish question" in the Warsaw ghetto. But At times, the team members "rested" in the Salaspils concentration camp - naturally, as Overseers (Karl Berezin, Axel Saar" Operation Cottbus "(or cleansing the Baltic States from Jews).

These are the historical roots of the Baltic tribes. Therefore, airplanes, space, science, and so on. - in no way have any relation to representatives of these tribes. Is not it?

 

OK, you've given me a rendition of Baltic people's, that is Latvians, estonians, Lithuanians, and somehow they weren't civilized, and how they assisted the Germans in ethnically cleansing the Jews in Riga, Vilnius, etc, being honorary members of Einsatzkommando, schutzmannshaft, sonderkommando, etc, I'm aware of those incidents....so? Am I here writing at the moment somehow responsible for this? I'm not related to this Freeland MP from Canada that was thread post earlier. And I mentioned there was Danish heritage? And a bit of British. Where does Latvian, Baltic fit in here, considering that some balts are lutherans, other than Lithuanians who are Catholic, and aren't "Slavs", where they may be a slight commonality to Scandinavians who are mostly Lutherans.

And what, are you Muscovites the only ones claiming some sort of "entitlements" to planes, space and science, considering your connection to muddy roads, thatched roof houses and coal oil lamps. Seems the russian claims great engineers but I don't see anyone lining up to buy your vehicle's, the ones I saw on your "roads" were/are ..German..ones, is it not?