52 shot, 10 killed in gang-fueled weekend violence in Chicago

You can't prove that they are more violent unless all things are equal, such as socioeconomic status.

I know it's part of the Conservative agenda to argue that blacks are naturally more violent but it's simply bad science.

 

studies show that black and white crime rates are pretty much the same when socioeconomic status is also a similar

 

your debating cause which doesn't change the fact that blacks are more violent
but how can we discuss cause when you cant even get passed the fact blacks are and scream racist instead

 

so change their culture change their environment which changing socioeconomic status can do
but its not jut having more wealth because drug dealers mostly are rather wealthy but still commit a considerable amount of violence
there needs to be a cultural change that can go hand and hand with socioeconomic status

 

does matter because it will prove blacks are more violent then other races but you rather stick your fingers in your ears and deny there is a problem as victims of black violence stack up

 

sorry, but the studies show this is an issue of class and socioeconomic status, not race or culture

 

While there is a correlation between blacks and Hispanics and crime, the data imply a much stronger tie between poverty and crime than crime and any racial group, when gender is taken into consideration.[74] The direct correlation between crime and class, when factoring for race alone, is relatively weak. When gender, and familial history are factored, class correlates more strongly with crime than race or ethnicity.[76][77] Studies indicate that areas with low socioeconomic status may have the greatest correlation of crime with young and adult males, regardless of racial composition, though its effect on females is negligible.[76][77] A 1996 study looking at data from Columbus, Ohio found that differences in disadvantage in city neighborhoods explained the vast majority of the difference in crime rates between blacks and whites,[78] and two 2003 studies looking at violent offending among juveniles reached similar conclusions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#Race_and_socioeconomic_status

 

"Why can't we talk about the elephant in the room?"

"Because it's racist to talk about elephants."

^ example of a conversation with a progressive.

 

The best way to reduce black crime rates is to guarantee all black people a free college education, open tons of job training centers in black areas, create tax-free zones in black areas so companies create middle-class jobs, and invest in pre-K through high school in black areas.

we also need to reform the welfare laws so that there are no financial incentives to having a single-parent home and having more kids.

unfortunalely Conservatives want to invest $0 in black communities, even though they complain the most about black crime rates.

 

Evidence supporting the role of structural factors in high black crime rates comes from multiple studies. For example, Robert J. Sampson has reported that most of the reason violent crime rates are so high among blacks originates mainly from unemployment, economic deprivation, and family disorganization. Specifically, he found that "the scarcity of employed black men increases the prevalence of families headed by females in black communities" and that the increased prevalence of such families in turn results in family disruption that significantly increases black murder and robbery rates.[118] Sampson et al.[119] and Phillips[120] have reported that at least half of the black-white homicide offending differential is attributable to structural neighborhood factors like parents' marital status and social context. Multiple other studies have found a link between black crime rates and structural factors, such as single-parent families and structural inequality.[121][122][123]

Additionally, “Hagan and Peterson (1995) further propose that the segregation of racial minorities in sections of concentrated poverty contributes to inferior educational and employment opportunities, which, in turn, enhance the likelihood of crime and delinquency.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#Socioeconomic_factors

 

Liberal/Moderate/Progressive states: "socioeconomics, single-parent homes, concentration of poor people and exposure to violence plays the most important part in high black crime rates."

Conservative response: "NOOO!!! its in their genes!!! they are genetically prone to violence!! no amount of education or socioeconomic equality will ever change that!!!. and even if it would, I ain't paying for it!!!! let them fix their own problems!!!"

 

Your proposal screams "blacks aren't equal and need extra help".

 

so you're saying blacks and whites have equal wealth and socioeconomic status and single parent households and education?

 

Conservative yells: "black crime rates are a real problem!!!"

Liberal Progressive responds: "this is an issue of education, socioeconomic status, job training, high concentration of poor folks, and single parent households. The solution is massive investments in education, job training, job opportunities in the black community."

Conservative response: "**** that!!!! Im not helping anyone!! Not my problem!!!"

 

They have equal access.

 

in other words "not my ****ing problem!!!"

 

Dear Conservatives,

don't complain about a problem unless you're willing to address some real solutions.

Your's truly,

Common Sense.

 

Thank you for admitting that the success of the rest of society depends on the largess and good-will of conservatives. Liberals obviously haven't done a damn thing for half a century and this is their core constituency. Actually it can be reasonably be argued that liberals destroyed the black family through their efforts to replace the father with a government welfare check.

Unfortunately, conservatives will never invest in inner city high crime areas until there are police resources allocated to protect their investment.... otherwise they will simply go bankrupt and lose all of their wealth. Liberals are adamantly against aggressive policing in high crime areas and therefor have made the areas permanently off-limits to smart investors.

If it were up to me, the proper start is in schools. If kids have behavioral problems there, pull them out and send them to military type schools where the teachers are replaced with drill sergeants from the army. The problem could be fixed in a generation or two. It would be expensive but would pay off in the long term.

 

Liberals only look at skin color also and 100% of the time label Racism with White. That being said, everything being equal like socio -economic conditions, you must also agree then that Black People are EXACTLY as capable of being Racist as White people. Any disagreement there.

 

poverty rates plummited after the Great Society was passed.

high school and college graduation rates have gone up.

rates of malnutrition plummited.

all done by Liberals

meanwhile Conservatives scream about black crime rates but don't want to invest a dime to help black communities.

 

oh, I forgot, Conservatives do have a solution to high black crime rates:

more and bigger prisons.

 

and you are ignoring that with different socioeconomic status comes a different culture

here I will give you an example why its not just socioeconomic status
one of the poorest states in the union is W. Virginia ranked 5th but has one of the lowest crime rates raked 32nd
I have a little experiment you can conduct

Here is a map of states with the highest Black population darker the blue equtes to a higher Black population



Here is a map of the poorest states






Here is a map of the most dangerous states



Now which of the first two maps more closely matches the last map the map of the most dangerous states
the black population map or the poorest states map?
the black population map more closely matches the most dangerous state map then the poorest state map does
debunking you assertion that its all about economic status

 

The point of this thread is for Liberals to stop sugar coating the problems of Black communities and pointing fingers at White people and telling Black people, THERE'S the reason you are poor and murdering each other, it's because of White People, their RACISM and White previlege. Of course Liberals won't do that, because they love pushing the Black victim mentality, because it get's them more votes from the Black population. If Democrats came out and told me, Hey Mr White Guy, vote for me and I'll give you Reparations, Free Health care, Free Cell phones, Free College and more Wellfare, I would understand why one would be tempted to vote Democrat. GIMMEE'S are like Cup Cakes to a Fat kid, they're irresistible. Just vote Democrat and we'll take more money from Whitey and give it to you.

 

No more so than being struck by lightning. But you do have my condolences.