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  1. Well Bonded

    Well Bonded Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If you really cared you would concentrate on real problems, that cause way more deaths annually, and get off the anti-gun bandwagon.
     
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  2. CCitizen

    CCitizen Well-Known Member

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    Social Darwinism is Evil.

    All Humans have value.

    I have Disability -- Autism and Depression, but I do not consider myself without value.
     
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    don't care-their actions are not relevant to our freedoms.
     
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    I don't see it as a sin here either.
     
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    some have a negative value.
     
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    Incorrect, some shouldn't even be allowed to live nor less breed.

    Get over it, you're wearing it out.
     
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    It is not a matter of so-called "social darwinism" when individuals decide to go about ending their own existence for whatever reason they feel justifies that decision on their part.

    Factually incorrect.

    What of those that do not consider themselves to have any value, either to themselves, or to anyone else? Why is their evaluation and opinion incorrect while the evaluation and opinion on the part of yourself considered correct?
     
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    Wanting to confiscate anyones guns. Makes you a bad person and you prove how badly the people who own guns need them to protect the security of the free state.

    No such thing as unarmed and free
     
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    In the XVIIIth century, perhaps. Now guns are used for murder and suicide too often.
     
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    CCitizen Well-Known Member

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    85% of Americans are Christian, Jewish, or Muslim. We all agree that suicide is a sin.

    Most people who commit suicide are incompetent to make informed decisions.
     
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    And thus, the presence or absence of a gun has no effect on their death.
     
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    CCitizen Well-Known Member

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    In Canada, even the worst offenders have rights. Even the worst criminals live in humane prison conditions. If their rights are violated, they launch suits and sometimes succeed.
     
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    Most suicide attempts without guns fail.
     
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    Irrelevant to the point.
    As most people who commit suicide are incompetent to make informed decisions, the presence or absence of a gun has no effect on their death.
     
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    CCitizen Well-Known Member

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    I may not be a productive citizen, but I have value. I have my space. I share my opinions.

    There are people on much lower Social Rank then even me. In Canada and West Europe, even the worst people have rights and value.
     
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    Without gun they are likely to survive a suicide attempt.
     
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    Irrelevant to the point.
    As most people who commit suicide are incompetent to make informed decisions, the presence or absence of a gun has no effect on their death.
     
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    False, 49.4% of suicides where completed without using a firearm, the most common method other than a firearm is suffocation.

    In 2018 out of the 260 suicides in Broward County 26 of them where completed by people simply stepping in front of a train.

    Elimination of the private ownership of firearms will have a nearly zero impact of lowering suicides while at the same time increasing the death rate of innocent people due to their inability to defend themselves.

    As such, doing so will actually increase deaths of those who wish to live, and that is a really sick plan.
     
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    And since you can offer no workable solutions why are you still posting the same crap over and over again?

    As for your value that is not for me to comment on, but if you consider yourself not to be a productive citizen, how can you possibly believe you have any value to society overall?
     
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    And then become a even greater burden on society, it's better they use a gun, get the job done versus living off the taxpayers in a vegetative state in a nursing home.
     
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    Of course.
    People use a gun because they are committed to ending their lives.
    Because they are committed, taking away the gun does not in any way mean they will not end their lives.

    Thus, this entire complaint is aimed not at reducing suicide, but making it harder for the law abiding to exercise their right to keep and bear arms.
     
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    The number for firearm suicides 1996-2016 is 360,579, out of 652,051 total suicides
    How can you be so wrong?
     
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    Delete
     
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    too bad! they'll get used for lawful rebellion if you try to take them. the constitution is not subject to interpretation by modernization.. it means what it meant when it was written or it means nothing at all..
     
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    2018:
    423,000.000 guns.
    10,265 firearm related murders - for every gun used to commit murder, >41,000 were not.
    23,854 firearms related suicides - for every gun used to commit suicide, >17,000 were not.

    Your complain has no rational basis.
     
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