67,000 people believe something's wrong with what we were told about 9/11

and so, you choose to believe that FRAUD
about suicidal Arabs hijacking airliners
and flying into the WTC & Pentagon.

oh well .......

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exactly what studies of building collapses have there been?
That NIST fiasco? what?

 

Oh the irony!

Since when does 4,000,000,000 minus 67,000 equal 3,999,999,933?

A perfect example of why the truther community has a rough time understanding physics and engineering.

 

You don't know what I believe. In the end it doesn't matter either way because nothing will ever come of it. Sorry you think pointing out numbers is considered choosing a side instead of facts. Oh well.

 

You can't even claim 'most people believe'

And I expect there are more truther cranks out there than just on this forum.

 

Perhaps you can enlighten me as to what you really believe then(?)

I really don't mind being totally up-front with what I know
about this scene in that commercial airliners were not
hijacked & used as weapons. and the towers + 7 were
blown up. and I realize that a lot of people consider this
prime excuse to call the men in white coats for me, but
it is what it is.

 

What I believe is it doesn't matter because no matter what, even if this was an inside job nothing will ever come of it. It doesn't matter how outraged anyone is or gets because at the end of the day nothing will change or be done.

 

"nothing will be done" Ya, right ..... with an attitude like that
truly nothing will get done, HOWEVER, please note that
Brittan had ( note HAD ) lots of colonies and one by one
they all broke away. There were some who said that it was
futile to even try to become independent. but the colonists
did it anyhow.

maybe YOU consider it futile to even try, but I'm going to
try anyhow. This is a battle for hearts & minds.

so be it!

 

Can you do it without false petitions and misleading agendas?

 

We can't even get a proper investigation into the IRS, what makes you think something like this where people have even more to lose is going to gain any real traction?

 

do you have any idea who
Frederick Douglass
was? ...... there is your answer.

 

Who do you consider to be the Frederick Douglass of the 'truth movement'?

 

A little digging reveals that the people behind the petition truly are 9/11 Nutters. However if you read the petition

http://highrisesafetynyc.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/High-Rise-Safety-Initiative-Petition.pdf

You'll see that the only mention of WTC 1 & 2 is in the definition of what a high rise is, and there is absolutely no mention of WTC7. So the claim that "67,000 people believe something's wrong with what we were told about 9/11" is a bald face lie. These people are grossly misrepresenting the meaning and context of their petition. Pitiful Pitiful.

 

67,000 out of a nation of 300 million is meaningless and yes merely a few kooks.

 

The trouble is we now have a social problem regarding our so called educational system no matter what the truth is.

The Empire State Building was 70 years old when the twin towers were destroyed. More than 50 buildings have been constructed around the world over 1,000 feet tall since the twin towers were destroyed.

This should not be a difficult problem to resolve one way or the other and the majority of physicists should be willing to publicly come down on one side or the other. But we have had more than a decade of phenomenal SILENCE.

No matter how the silence ends there should be some degree of turmoil.

Why should people go to schools for engineering degrees and pay tens of thousands of dollars to institutions which cannot settle this? We are supposed to believe electrical engineers can't understand the physics of skyscrapers even though The Empire State Building was completed 16 years before the transistor was invented.

And that does not even begin to bring up the international situation. We killed how many Iraqis for skyscrapers that could not possibly have been destroyed by airliners? Because if they could then why shouldn't it be easy to model?

psik

 

Awful lot of assuming on your part..

 

It's settled. It's been settled for quite some time.

 

Assuming what? That either the top of the north tower could fall and destroy the rest or it couldn't?

So regardless of which one is true then why shouldn't it be easy to PROVE IT?

So if each case is easy to prove then it should have been done by now no matter which it is.

But NO! Try finding physicists discussing the center of mass of the tilted top portion of the south tower on the Internet. Or the distributions of steel and concrete down skyscrapers. But you can find center of mass discussed on really world shaking things like SUVs turning over. Of course that is beneath the notice of physicists too. But we don't have years of people arguing about that on the Internet either.

psik

 

I agree that it is very telling that nobody has analyzed the "collapse"
of three steel framed skyscrapers. The Tacoma Narrows Bridge
has been analyzed in engineering classes and is considered a
classic exercise in analysis of a failure, so OK, is the WTC
"collapse" so tied to totally controversial, gut level ..
smack you senseless sorts of emotionally charged
news, that nobody can touch it at all. WHAT?

 

If the truth has not been revealed then how do you know what the truth is? If a new investigation is open will you accept it if their truth did match your truth? I am all for truth, but what if your truth is not the truth? Is truth a subjective state of mind or is it synonymous with fact? Who gets to decide what is truth and what is fallacy? You? Me? Someone else?

 

Yes,exactly THAT kind of assuming you've been doing here for a while....you say 'prove it',we show you,and you hand wave it away,because it doesn't fit your assumptions

Get a grip.

 

Imagine you are a structural engineer and you make your living in the skyscraper biz. On 9/11 you watch the videos over and over like everybody else. Suppose you KNOW with absolute certainty that no airliner impacting more than half way up a skyscraper the stood for 20+ years could cause what you see. But you saw it happen. You would be forced to conclude there was something involved that you didn't see. That would mean somebody you don't know. But those somebodies must have a lot of power and obviously don't give a damn who they kill.

Are you going to stick your neck out or let someone else be the hero?

It is the international pervasiveness that I find really peculiar.

Look at the Milad Tower in Iran:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milad_Tower

Why no comment from engineers there?

psik

 

No way they could know that with absolute certainty

Besides,the towers did what they were supposed to...they stood after the impacts

 

and then they burned and "collapsed" because of fire?
steel skyscrapers do not burn down.
and exactly how does one justify the top 15% of the
building "collapsing" causing the total destruction of
the building? the end result is indistinguishable from
Controlled Demolition, whats up with that?

 

Says who?

More incredulity?

 

sez over a century of steel frame building construction
and use.

BTW: I remember seeing a pix,
of the aftermath of the atomic bomb attack
on Japan and there was a steel framed structure
that was still standing and all of the other buildings
around it were gone. makes a statement, no?