"68" the average IQ of sub-Saharan Africa say researchers - thread 2

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  1. leftysergeant

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    Because they would have to actually out-do blacks in a test that they could not bugger to the advantage of white people.
     
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    Totally not true. Thus, everything that you believe appears to be a lie.

    At one time, Timbuktu was a more influential center of learning than any contemporary city in Germany.

    Most of the continent was unsettled long after the first cities appeared in the northern regions. There were no native plants capable of sustaining large-scale agriculture until well into the Bronze Age. Even then, there was not enough food to sustain the sorts of population densities that Europe and Asia could maintain until bananas werte introduced from Asia. Once they reached the west coast, cities flourished.

    The hoes that the black Africans used to till the soil to plant those bananas were of iron, smelted by black Africans.

    Learn some basic history and anthropology before you make such lame-brained remarks about all Africans being in the stone age.
     
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    northwinds Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    @Meta who wrote: "Where exactly in Affirmative Action law is it mandated that less qualified blacks be given more preference over more qualified people of other races?As I mentioned in my last post, the vast majority of Affirmative Action only involves anti-discrimination, and the most extreme
    forms go no further than race-based regional recruitment and recommendations to sure up proportional representation
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    but even here the candidates are not held to lower standards, they must be just as qualified for a particular position
    or university seat as any other person would have to be.

    Can you point to any documented cases in recent times where an unqualified black person
    was given a job or admitted to a university because of an Affirmative Action policy?



    Where exactly in Affirmative Action law is it mandated that less qualified blacks be given more preference over more qualified people of other races?
    As I mentioned in my last post, the vast majority of Affirmative Action only involves anti-discrimination, and the most extreme
    forms go no further than race-based regional recruitment and recommendations to sure up proportional representation,
    but even here the candidates are not held to lower standards, they must be just as qualified for a particular position
    or university seat as any other person would have to be.


    Absolute nonsense....and you know it. Here is a quote from an article regarding the Supreme Court decision on affirmative action at the University of Michigan and Michigan Law School:

    The U.S. Supreme Court justices decided on two separate but parallel cases -- they voted 5-4 to uphold the University of Michigan's law school affirmative action policy, which favors minorities. But in a 6-3 vote, the justices struck down the affirmative action policy for undergraduate admissions, which awards 20 points for blacks, Hispanics and Native Americans on an admissions rating scale.
    The cases tested whether the university is allowed to discriminate because it values diversity in its student body, or whether discrimination is only justified to reverse past racial injustice.

    The pivotal case, Grutter v. Bollinger, involved the university's law school. Barbara Grutter, who is white, applied for admission there in 1996. She was rejected. She investigated and found out that African Americans and ethnic minorities who had lower overall admissions scores were admitted. Grutter sued, saying she was a victim of illegal discrimination.
     
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    Unfortunately the willful ignorance of racists can't be overcome with facts.
     
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    Racism is a superstition.
     
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    Huh, what specific part of that was nonsense?

    Also, you are referring to Gratz v. Bollinger and Grutter v. Bollinger,
    in which the Supreme court found the university's undergraduate point-based admission policy resembling a quota system to be unconstitutional.
    In other words, they deemed it illegal. So do you agree or disagree with that ruling? (did you even read it?)

    At the same time, the Supreme Court also ruled that it was not unconstitutional for the university to use multiculturalism/diversity as a justification for having race factor into admission policies in general, but only wherein individual applicants were assessed on an individual basis, and with various restrictions on how much race for the purpose of diversity could be a factor. That decision seems awfully vague in my opinion and could potentially leave the door open for abuse,
    but it is certainly not institutionalized persecution of white people (the majority of the judges and school board itself actually argued that it was meant to help white students by exposing them to multiculturalism), and it is not mandated by the government since it is clear that the decision for this particular policy lies squarely with the university itself, so it only seems reasonable then that, as I mentioned before, one assumes that Speeders R Murderers' statement "Affirmative Action is government mandated persecution of white people," is nothing more than hyperbole, especially considering that the university admits that under that same graduate admissions policy, lesser qualified whites have been admitted under multicultural considerations while at the same time blacks who were otherwise more qualified were rejected.

    Again, do you agree or disagree with the ruling in Gratz v. Bollinger, and what are your feelings regarding the ruling in Grutter v. Bollinger?
    What are your views on other forms of Affirmative Action such as anti-discrimination laws for federal and state jobs,
    and racially conscious regional recruitment expansions that look for qualified individuals?

    Thanks,

    -Meta
     
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    Can you give us some examples of this Timbuktu scholarship?
     
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    northwinds Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The discrimination against white athletes in sports.....particularly football at all levels.....is probably worse than the discrimination in the corporate and government worlds......the leading receiver in the NFL the past five years (who is white) was not even drafted and was cut by his first walk-on team.....so tell me, is the NFL scouting and drafting process.....costing millions upon millions of dollars that arbitrary......or is there just a wee bit of discrimination against whites....particularly at the "black positions"? IQ tests are not arbitrary.....NFL recruiting has been proven to be just that.
     
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    That is historically false. Blacks were banned from most pro sports until around 1950 so don't tell me it can't be done. And yet whites today don't ban blacks from sports.
     
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    Speeders R Murderers Banned

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    Oh get serious. We're not discussing life 500 years ago. Black africa TODAY is still in the stone age. Why can't black countries send spaceships to mars.? Hell - they can't even make bicycles.
     
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    Speeders R Murderers Banned

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    So you agree affirmative action must end.?
     
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    It is correct to state the TRUTH no matter how ideologically it is opposed to one's bias especially when it is to prove a National PC effort on the part of the Liberals to continue to foist Affirmative Action and to distort the TRUTH about Black on White Crime whilst jabbering about Black Victimhood.

    Intelligence is one of the TRUTHS that explains the continuing execrable performance of the Blacks in comparison with other races in matters of social behaviour, educational accomplishment, and violent crime in particular.

    So just as important it is to note the "beyond excellent" performance of the blacks in the field of sports, and entertainment ..... it is equally important to note.....in spite of the NATIONAL PC STIGMA ...... the other areas of human endeavor where Blacks are miserable failures. And CONTINUE to be so.
     
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    Again with the sending spaceships to Mars 'argument'?
    Exactly how many countries do you think have actually been able to achieve that?
    Do you even know? (hint: Google is your friend)

    Also, as for countries sending ships to Mars and that saying something on the intelligence of every individual in that society,
    I think GeneralZod said it best when he wrote, "The problem with the national or regional intelligence view.
    The great minds in society the vision makers are few and far between.
    Everyone else stands on the shoulders of these giants and uses their ideas in consumerism.

    Ie. The usa did send a probe to mars but that was done by a few dozen talented Nasa scientists.
    The rest of the usa populaiton just waved at the TV while it took off."

    So now here we are again discussing 'group' intelligence, but why??
    Speeders R Murderers, can you answer this definitively?
    Is your purpose truly to use average relative intelligence of the black populace as some argument against affirmative action as you seemed to say before?
    If it is, then would it be too much trouble for you to please provide that formal syllogistic argument showing us how average relative intelligence
    invalidates the usefulness of all forms of Affirmative Action? Or if average relative intelligence actually has nothing to
    do with your opposition to Affirmative Action, could you please explain clearly why it is you feel it
    so necessary to show that blacks 'on average' are inferior to everyone else?

    Thanks,

    -Meta
     
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    @Meta who wrote:

    "Can you point to any documented cases in recent times where an unqualified black person
    was given a job or admitted to a university because of an Affirmative Action policy?"


    Yep, the University of Michigan giving 20 points to black applicants just for the color of their skin as set forth in the Supreme Court case I cited. And you think other colleges and universities aren't still doing this....or some variation on the theme just to get their black admissions up.....because they all know if they go by strict admissions standards based upon test scores and gpa then blacks will be hugely underrepresented in their respective student populations.....which goes back to the original topic of this thread. Blacks in the U.S. have slightly higher IQ tests scores than their brothas and sistas in sub-Saharan Africa due to intermingling with whites over the past 400 years.....but they still lag far behind on any standardized testing for intelligence....just the facts.
     
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    Do you agree with the court's ruling in that case?
    Do you believe that the university's policy either before or after the court's ruling could be equated to "government mandated persecution of white people,"?
    What are your views on other forms of Affirmative Action such as anti-discrimination laws for federal and state jobs,
    and racially conscious regional recruitment expansions that look for qualified individuals?


    If colleges are implementing point systems such as the one mentioned above, then that is against the law and one can and should sue the university.

    -Meta
     
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    The board notes that you get your philosophy from cartoon shows.
     
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    HAHAHA. Like Rule of Law means anything in america nowadays. Remember last when august Obozo told our 30 million illegals he was going to ignore the law and let them openly live here in brazen violation of laws passed by congress!!!! Congress can pass all the laws it wants against AA and the feds will ignore and continue.
     
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    Wow, I was not aware that 'the board' could be represented by a single poster.
    In that case, 'the board' notes that you have once again failed to even attempt to answer a single one of my questions.

    Why do you keep bringing up average relative intelligence?
    Exactly how many countries have succeeded in sending ships to Mars?
    Approximately what percentage of the U.S. population is directly involved in its own Mars missions?
    Is your purpose truly to use average relative intelligence of the black populace as some argument against affirmative action as you seemed to say before?
    If it is, then would it be too much trouble for you to please provide that formal syllogistic argument showing us how average relative intelligence
    invalidates the usefulness of all forms of Affirmative Action? Or if average relative intelligence actually has nothing to
    do with your opposition to Affirmative Action, could you please explain clearly why it is you feel it
    so necessary to show that blacks 'on average' are inferior to everyone else?


    Oh and BTW, the 'GeneralZod' I was referring to is not a cartoon character.

    -Meta
     
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    Aren't you the same fellow who proclaimed that Affirmative Action is, "government mandated persecution of white people"?
     
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    "Most people are born with equal intelligence, but blacks have watered down their genes because the less intelligent ones are the ones that have the most children. They drop out of school early, do drugs and get pregnant."
    -- Andy Rooney [from a phone interview]


    William Shockley, the man who invented the transistor, argued that the higher rate of reproduction among the less intelligent was having a dysgenic effect, and that a drop in average intelligence would ultimately lead to a decline in civilization. Shockley advocated that the scientific community should seriously investigate questions of heredity, intelligence, and demographic trends.

    Although Shockley was concerned about dysgenic effects among both blacks and whites, he perceived the situation among blacks as more problematic. According to 1970 US Census, unskilled and skilled whites had on average 3.7 and 2.3 children, respectively, whereas the corresponding numbers for blacks were 5.4 and 1.9.[29] Shockley expressed concern that the black population would become progressively less intelligent, countering all the gains that had been made by the Civil Rights movement. Shockley's views on this topic, expressed in his publications and lectures, were based in part on the work of Cyril Burt who was discredited by the scientific community in the 1970s, known as the Burt Affair, but was later vindicated by the works of Arthur Jensen and J. Philippe Rushton in 1997 when they too showed very similar results as Burt.
     
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