68-year-old Black woman accuses police of tearing her rotator cuff during 2019 traffic stop

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  1. Dutch

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    The police were not violent, just forceful. Did you see how strong this woman was?

    Big difference.
     
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    The use of force should not be used against a non-violent person to make an arrest, unless they are blocking traffic or creating some sort of public nuisance.

    pulled over on the side of the road, as per police instruction, sitting in your car, is not a public nuisance. Ive seen videos of cops smash car windows, taze people then drag them out of their car, simply because they didn't want to get out of the car during a traffic stop.

    its unbelievable.

    just cause a cop is mad or pissed off, does not alone justify the use of force against a non-violent person.
     
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    partly because they escalate situations that do not need to be escalated

    Did you know,

    escalating the traffic stop is one of the most dangerous situations for police officers
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    not all the time sadly
     
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    But they don't.
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Cops, unlike teachers, can ruin your whole day, while teachers can ruin the life of a generation. And yet, Liberals universally are against cops while universally protect teachers.

    The mindboggling paradox this is.
     
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    I have no idea where your dementia emanates from but pigs are not needed to teach us their brutality from their lack of control.
     
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    Some people don't want to be "deescalted". Police are properly trained to take control of the situation and do so quickly so as not to put themselves in danger.

    How about we do more training of the people into obeying the law and following the lawful orders of the police when they do have an encounter with them then police would never have to use force.
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Such typical tolerant language from one of our own resident enlightened liberal Democrats :couple_inlove:
     
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    true, and I said that

    but there is no need for the cop to escalate a situation just for the fun of it, that puts the cops and the citizens life in danger for no reason

    I agree, citizens should do that too, but the cops are supposed to be the adults in the room, the professionals
     
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    What a stupid woman. She was fighting the police who were trying to place her under arrest. If she hurt her own arm fighting the police then that is completely on her.
     
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    Why are cops constantly escalating non-violent encounters into violent ones?

    can't they try to spend a little time to talk to people rather than insisting on getting violent?

    if the person is not blocking traffic, has no weapons, is not suspected of a violent crime, not hurting anyone, there is no reason to taze them or put your hands on them.

    just cuz cops get frustrated and impatient is no excuse for unneccessary force.
     
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    Strawman and specious and adults are supposed to adults whether police or not police. Police are there to END the situation and most of the time it is not a exercise in negotiation because of the person engaged in the act. They RESPOND and they WILL respond with a higher force they encounter.
     
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    Wrong question, why do people getting lawfully arrested constantly resisting that arrest, refusing to follow the commands of the police and requiring force be used against them?
     
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    I dont get why soo many people support police using unneccessary force against non-violent, unarmed people not suspected of a violent crime.

    Unless such a person is say sitting in the street or blocking a staircase, cops dont need to escalate the situation by using physical force or a tazer.

    they could take the time to talk to the person, to convince them to comply with their orders.

    there is NO need for all these incidents to turn violent.
     
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    why does a non-violent, unarmed person, who is not blocking traffic and not accused of a violent crime, need to be arrested by force? why cant the cop attempt to take the time it needs to convince them to comply with their order?

    being impatient or frustrated is no excuse for using physical force against a non-violent unarmed person.
     
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    One of the elements of Fascism, is accepting police using unnecessary force against non-violent people. Why do soo many Americans support this?
     
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    You mean a driver speeding for 10 miles and ignoring the police repeated requests for her to stop?

    You mean for Floyd who repeatedly resisted arrest, resisted being handcuffed and resist being put into the police car?

    You mean Wright with an outstanding arrest warrant, who repeatedly resisted arrest, resist being handcuffed then pushes away the police to jump on the car to drive away....

    You mean a 13 year old boy involved in shooting his gun around 2:30 am in the streets, runs at the sight of the police, then suddenly turns around dropping the gun raising his hands gets shot.

    Over and over it was the black person who is generating the resistance to getting arrested and fighting back.

    Sir you need to stop making excuses for their stupid behavior that caused their injury or deaths.
     
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    this is not a violent act.

    it may piss off cops, but its not an act of violence.

    stop supporting Fascist violence against unarmed, non-violent people.
     
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    ah, so you think its ok for cops to shoot dead a kid with his hands in the air.

    gotcha. Fascism, here we come.
     
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    You need to wise up to all the events where cops choose to turn a non-violent event into a violent altercation that often leads to a dead person.

    Maybe cops need to take some anger management classes. Or stop fantasizing about being a Nazi.
     
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    If you have the police following you for 10 miles trying to pull you over you will get pulled from your vehicle and placed in handcuffs. If you physically fight them when they try to do this you have a good chance of getting hurt.
     
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    If they resist and refuse to follow the commands of the police then force will be used and the more they resist the more force will be used. Physically resisting IS violence.

    Why does an unarmed person being lawfully arrested resist that arrest and force that force being used?
     
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    You need to wise up to all the events the suspected criminal turns into a violent event forcing the force being used against them and then can end up dead because of it. Maybe people need to take courses in civil behavior and following the law and obeying the lawful commands of the police. Why don't we ever have conversations on that?
     
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    I see that you IGNORED my listed examples, you are being dishonest in doing that, the resistance they did generated an INCREASED response by the police.

    It is clear you didn't watch the video since he dropped his gun and gets shot within the same second or two. The same person who just minutes ago was SHOOTING that same gun.....

    The police had to defend himself in that split second event.
     
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