75% automated . . .

Let's say 100 years from now, when the country is 75% automated, i.e., when everything you need is delivered to your door by drone, when all houses are pre-fab and erected by machines, when you key in your symptoms and the prescription med pops out, when pods come to your door and deliver you to your destination, when farmers are obsolete are the fields are tilled, planted, fertilized, watered and harvested by satellite-controlled machines, when meat is artificial and grown, packaged and delivered without human intervention, are Republicans still going to be saying "get a job"?

 

You don't have to get a job. After all, you don't have to eat any of those automated artificial beef burgers, or live in those pre-fab robotic houses.

If you want, then yeah, you might want to get a job. If not, it's not like the robots are going to care.

 

Point is, 100 years from now there ain't going to be such things as jobs. How do we pay for the artificial meat when that happens?

 

If you don't have a job, why would robots make artificial meat?

 

I'm not following. Why wouldn't they?

 

Hopefully, in 100 years, the concept of "payment" won't even exist.

 

So you imagine this future world where robots are pumping out artificial meat around the clock for consumers that don't exist?

Why would they do that?

 

Maybe we'll have automated government.

 

The GOP as we know it, will no longer exist. Modern society would have outgrown them, and their values would be an anachronism.

We are moving to a society, an economy, where it will take 10 to 20 percent of the population to produce all the goods and services that people have to have. And so, this means capitalism will go the way of the DoDo bird, and modern societies will live under some form of socialism, where people are paid for the work, done on their behalf by the robots and machines. And it will not be 100 years from now, but much sooner, unless something catastrophic happens to humanity.

And unless we reverse modern high technology, this is inevitable, and there is no escape from it, despite all of the wishful thinking that the GOP capitalists indulge in. But they do not want to think about it, for it gives them panic attacks, or headaches, and so they refuse to think about it. That capitalism destroys itself, is the cosmic irony involved here. Like a cancer, it will destroy its host, if people try to keep it, when it is impossible to keep it.

The modern civilized world will be fully socialistic, and the importance will be supplying all that a society needs, to all people, and not the profits of the few at the top. We will have a different set of values, which the conservatives today could never accept. Yet their grandkids and great grandkids will of course not be conservative. We will read about them in the history books, in the same way we read about the 19th century today.

It really is gonna be really tough for conservatives, but they will have to drop many of their values, when the world no longer has a place for them. I say, good riddance.

 

I think someone just watched the terminator movies back to back.

 

Reverse technology?

This will free the human mind from drudgery. Over time we will find fulfilling persuits that are more creative and intellectual, and importantly, more productive than menial tasks. We will adapt.

As to creating revenue for the government, we will tax the productivity of the drone. We will put an income value by comparison to human labor on the metal beasts and tax their income.

I'm no luddite, we will live better lives. Can you think of a return to the work environment in the emerging industrial age, or even the pre industrial age? Brutal back breaking and life ending.

Give it time.

Cheers
Labour

 

And the 10% of the population doing the work for the other 90% will have to be paid. Or are we going to go back to slavery? Maybe grow a few artificial humanoid work droids, and the rest of us relax on an Arizona beach sipping margaritas.

Or are we going to have to pay those workers with something other than margaritas and recycled food?

Explain the idea where those 10% are going to work, while the rest of us lounge around in our pajamas?

Well, let's try to think it through. If I'm the one with a job, and you're the one I'm serving breakfast in bed to, explain my motivation. Am I one of those workaholic types that just needs to do something, while you're more interested in reading the funny pages?

I feel like a dinosaur already. Now, back to why I'm going to want to serve you breakfast in bed.

Aaah!!! So you really don't want me serving you breakfast in bed. Well okay.

So um.... who's going to serve us breakfast in bed?

 

So these metallic beasts of burdens are going to self-replicate, making work a thing of the past? Just have robots designing robots, and these metallic beauties are going to be working around the clock fulfilling all of our wishes, and we can put our swords down and write poetry instead?

When that happens, I doubt anybody will care if some knucklehead blurts out "Get a job!".

But what if I am the one that owns the robots, and I take my robots and go home? Can I say "get a job, ya bum!"?

 

Only the right is that cognitively dissonant.

 

Much of the pop will have died off after becoming homeless. They lost their job to robots and the little $ they had went to paying escalating fines for not being able to affford Obamacare. In edition, the gov outlawed trad guns and the only thing allowed are smart guns...which can be turned off at will by the gov if you lose your license or for any reason they like.

 

kind of like when there is a black out...people have babies out the ying yang.

 

Robots have displaced large numbers of manufacturing jobs. I don't see any reason that robots couldn't manufacture robots.

We're moving from a manufacturing based economy to an economy more based on design, information management, ideas, etc. We're betting we can do that better than the other 94% of the world population.

In order to be competitive as a nation and in order to ensure our kids have jobs, we are going to have to get serious about education.


We did this before. When we moved from agriculture to manufacturing we noticed that more education was required. Thus, we moved from free and mandatory 8th grade education to free and mandatory high school education.

But, we're stuck in a rut now.

Cost of collage as a percent of median income:
USA 1/2 median income
UK 1/4 median income
The Netherlands 1/9 of median income
Finland 1/19 of median income
Germany 1/25 of median income
Sweden & France 1/30 of median income

We're ignoring our own future.

 

I'd imagine a primary source of income will be put in place to support the industries that'll still be owned and run by the corporate. Credit will be built and loaned out to community confluences, who'll invest in markets as de facto hedge funds, returning a portion of profits to people for the job of loaning out their credit. Everybody gets their health care and pensions paid as perks of working with their confluences. Since pretty much everyone wants to continue living in a modern society, most everyone will go on working for existing businesses (supporting their divisions with more helper corporations), making even more money (but working fewer hours). Poverty disappears, crime is reduced, the state has more tax revenue than it can count (perfect for a state-of-the-art infrastructure rebuild), and the species can start seriously tackling more-pressing issues (like new forms of renewable energy storage, artificial intelligence, nanotech, asteroid mining, orbital habitat, etc.).

 

There will always be jobs. I don't know what those jobs will be, but there will always be something for humans to do.

 

sounds like there will be a lot of jobs keeping the robots running... and I have no doubt there will be "shabby chic" towns that live like the "ancients" did with no electronics... I picture it as an awesome steam-punk town of people who reject modern robotics and technology... at least thats my wishful desires for today lol... what a fun town that would be to live in, victorian era clothing with steam powered technology... yeahhhh lets build it now!

we can even have steampunk ghost busters in the future town...



lots of need for steam engine engineers in my future city...

P.S. out of curiosity though, since you're throwing this at the conservatives to answer... how high will liberals make minimum wage, and who will get the few jobs left for that high minimum wage? I mean certainly in your future city, robots will replace people making minimum wages... so how do democrats solve the issue either?

 

I don't see that as the point.

We have the quality of life we have because of our competitiveness in this world. Our ability to compete was once based on our ability to manufacture. We are losing that. Failing to find a US competitive edge will have huge impact on our quality of life.

Here at home, our move toward information/idea related industry will advantage those with higher education - not exclusively, perhaps, but significantly. The result will be that those who are less educated will be competing for jobs that will become more menial and less well paid.

These trends aren't going to be absolute or instantaneous, but they ARE the direction we're headed.

 

Fusion Reactors.

Lockheed Martin just announced a major breakthrough.

We will lead the world in energy production, generation and export.

AboveAlpha

 

Maybe by that time students will be asking their teachers: "What's a Republican?"

 

My cut:
First of all, robots will also replace high paying jobs. Pharmacy - who needs a guy with 5 years medical training handing out pills? We've seen the automation of manufacturing and the precipitous loss of good paying jobs. We've watched jobs for loan officers shrink as spreadsheets replace local decision making. It's not just fast food and the grocery store check-out lines that are being automated. There is greater profit to be made in automating HIGH paying jobs than in replacing minimum wage jobs.

The new high paying jobs in America are coming from sectors where education is a requirement. High tech, alternative energy, automation design, bio-tech (health care & agriculture), etc.

To qualify for those new jobs, education is a requirement. And, by education I certainly don't mean just high school.

 

In a heavily automated society, most people will be employed either in service, maintainance and design of that automation, or in traditional tertiary and quaternary industries that require the human mind rather than a computer.