9/11 - 18 Years Later

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  1. Bob0627

    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    So what's going on? Well this is the very latest:

    First Responders Urge Congress to Reopen 9/11 Investigation — Sept. 11, 2019 News Conference



    This will be broadcast live on 9/11/19 at 10:00 AM ET.

    What else is going on?

    1. A petition for a Special Grand Jury investigation into the destruction of WTC1, WTC2 and WTC7 on 9/11 filed in the US Southern District Court of New York. There is a follow up Mandamus action in this case.

    2. A 9/11 Mandamus lawsuit vs the FBI/DOJ filed in the US District Court for the District of Columbia.

    https://www.lawyerscommitteefor9-11inquiry.org/

    3. A 4-year expert study by Dr. Leroy J. Hulsey and his team challenging the NIST hypothesis of the destruction of WTC7 on 9/11 as categorically invalid. The draft report is publicly available for comments and the data will be available shortly. A final, peer reviewed paper will be published later this year and I presume filed as expert witness evidence in both cases above.

    http://ine.uaf.edu/wtc7

    Where is the MSM on this so far? One brave CBS station in Alaska broadcast the release of Dr. Hulsey's draft report in their news slot (if one wants to be generous and call that the MSM).

    Regardless, we've come a long way over the last 18 years. No matter how much the MSM wants to silence these actions, they're not going away any time soon.
     
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    I guess a Mandamus petition might force the court to disclose the status of the GJ proceedings in general terms?
     
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    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    I believe that’s the objective but it hasn’t been filed yet to my knowledge so I don’t know what the Lawyers’ Committee will be requesting. I also don’t know how a judge will deal with it. Too many unknowns at this time.
     
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    News Conference: First Responders Urge Congress to Reopen 9/11 Investigation

    On the 18th anniversary of the September 11th attacks, 9/11 first responders Christopher Gioia and Joseph Torregrossa, both commissioners of the Franklin Square and Munson Fire District in New York, will announce the launch of the “Justice for 9/11 Heroes” campaign at a news conference to be held at the National Press Club at 10 AM EDT.

    In July, Gioia, Torregrossa, and the three other commissioners of their fire district unanimously approved a resolution calling for a new investigation into the September 11th attacks. Mr. Torregrossa and one of the other commissioners are suffering chronic health effects from working at Ground Zero, and one of the department’s members, Thomas J. Hetzel, who was also a member of the FDNY, was killed in the line of duty that day.

    The Franklin Square and Munson Fire District is now spearheading efforts throughout New York State and across the country to unite the fire service behind their call for Congress to reopen the 9/11 investigation. The congressional inquiry they are seeking would be conducted in parallel with the ongoing grand jury investigation initiated by U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York Geoffrey Berman.

    At the news conference, Gioia and Torregrossa will be joined by Bob and Helen McIlvaine, whose son Bobby was killed at the World Trade Center. For the past two years, Mr. McIlvaine has spearheaded a campaign, in his son’s name, to introduce and enact draft legislation that would establish a select committee in Congress to reinvestigate the World Trade Center’s destruction.

    Also speaking at the news conference will be David Meiswinkle, who is president of the Lawyers’ Committee for 9/11 Inquiry, and architect Richard Gage, who is founder and CEO of Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth (AE911Truth). Mr. Meiswinkle will discuss his organization’s current litigation. Mr. Gage will discuss the recent release of a four-year computer modeling study of World Trade Center Building 7’s collapse by researchers at the University of Alaska Fairbanks.

    https://www.ae911truth.org/news/563...rs-urge-congress-to-reopen-9-11-investigation

    And still not a peep from the MSM, 18 years later they're still playing the deaf, dumb and blind game.

     
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    psikeyhackr Well-Known Member

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    Eighteen!

    Even if I believed airliners could have done that I would have expected detailed and public analysis long before now. I suppose the longer it goes on the greater the psychological pressure to keep silent. If it wasn't possible why didn't you say something before now?
     
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    If you expected a "public analysis" at any time, you don't understand the lengths the US government and their cronies go to to make sure the public is kept in the dark about 9/11.
     
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    News Conference: First Responders Urge Congress to Reopen 9/11 Investigation



    (begin at about 4:30)
     
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    9/11 - 18 years later, this is the big news:

    Hospital staff in the US say a baby was born on the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks at 9:11pm, weighing 9lb 11oz.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/heard-gasps-astonishment-baby-born-125602723.html

    What about the 2 federal lawsuits demanding an investigation into 9/11 and the 4 year study proving that NIST's hypothesis on the "collapse" of WTC7 widely accepted as fact was impossible?

    Shhhhhhh, not a peep from the MSM.

    Well there is also this:

    Osama bin Laden's son killed in US operation, Donald Trump says

    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/worl...ation-donald-trump-says/ar-AAHilni?li=BBoPWjQ


    So if you believe all that, the son was extra-judicially murdered by the world's most dangerous and most lethal terrorist organization, the US government. Why? Because he was the son of the 9/11 boogieman (who personally directed 4 planes to blow the Pentagon and dive into a hole in Pennsylvania and control demolish 3 towers on 9/11, all from a cave in Afghanistan) and he was also a rising star in the CIA's creation, al Qaeda. Did he actually commit any crime? These amazing assassins even admit this was "a hugely symbolic kill". In the US, no one needs to commit a crime anymore to be exterminated, you just have to be labeled a "terrorist" or "enemy combatant", that goes for Americans too, NDAA 2012 says so. The Constitution? What's that? Oh yeah, just a gdamn piece of paper.

    And that concludes the latest 9/11 news 18 years later.

    "We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. We must remember always that accusation is not proof and that conviction depends upon evidence and due process of law." - Edward R. Morrow
     
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    18 years later and $2 Trillion spent on the phony war in Iraq and another $2 Trillion on the phony war in Afghanistan and who knows how much spent on the phony wars in Libya, Syria, Yemen and other Middle Eastern countries. All "predicted" (or more likely, made possible) by PNAC's "Rebuilding America's Defenses" (aka funding for the Military Industrial Complex) under pretext of 9/11, the "New Pearl Harbor". And the scam continues without any end in sight. That's a conservative $5 Trillion? More? How much of that money could have been used for Health Care, Infrastructure and plain improving American families' lives and welfare? Instead we have a dysfunctional "government" headed by a deranged and dangerous narcissist/pathological liar/racist/misogynist/sexual predator/illiterate/ignorant excuse for a human being with a nazi mentality, yet another war criminal, the 3rd one since 9/11.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century
    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/12/09/world/middleeast/afghanistan-war-cost.html
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iraq-war-anniversary-idUSBRE92D0PG20130314

    And that's where we are 18 years after 9/11 with not a peep from the MSM that the Official 9/11 Conspiracy Theory was always a fairy tale made for children, scientifically proven to have zero basis in reality.

    https://www.ae911truth.org/wtc7

    "War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength" - George Orwell, "1984"
     
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    And that is a fact.

    If there is nothing to hide and the report is a fraud there needs to be a legit investigation.

    The derogatory term troofer is just an attempt to ignore evidence that tears a hole in the deceitful official story.

    The term troofer is what the official story folks should be called given they believe it is the troof. And the most unlikely troof ever believed .

    The pubic hair in the soup is the rate of collapse of building 7. It is far too unnatural to be caused by the official explanation .
     
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    I always have to wonder, when people scream "fake" or inside job, why are they so good at telling everybody what's wrong with the conclusions and never have their own conclusion the defends their perspective.

    I'll tell you why. Because they don't know what their perspective even is. Only yelling that the official report is wrong.

    And, this is why nobody takes them seriously.
     
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    I have so many more reasons why I don't take them seriously ...
     
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    In legal terms the overwhelming evidence is dispositive, that means it's no brainer. You can deny it all you want and pretend no one has any conclusions to defend their perspective and even that in your world "no one" takes them seriously because YOU don't and you've closed your eyes and mind to everything that contradicts and makes the official story on 9/11 impossible, but that would be your fantasy world. You speak for no one but yourself, your generalizations are purely wishful thinking.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/the-nist-9-11-scam-exposed-in-all-its-glory.458597/
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...mission-scam-exposed-in-all-its-glory.495859/
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/9-11-whistleblowers.561661/
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/9-11-the-legal-initiative.500060/

    The overwhelming, detailed evidence you can link to from the above threads point to the fact that the official story is a massive lie (i.e. FAKE), that is incontrovertible. Whether 9/11 was an inside job or not remains to be proven beyond doubt but that the LIE is a coverup is also dispositive. And a coverup has only one purpose, to protect the criminals.

    And why should anyone take you seriously? When challenged to point out why anyone should accept your 9/11 analysis over that of experts such as Dr. Hulsey, you have nothing to post.

    It's ok though, I don't expect you to be able to contradict Hulsey, you just try to with nothing to support your position. Hulsey's peer reviewed paper will be published shortly and it will be the scientific accepted analysis/hypothesis as to how WTC7 was globally destroyed, by removed all of its columns simultaneously, invalidating NIST's hypothesis that it was a progressive collapse strictly caused by fire. That will be true unless and until proven otherwise by another legitimate peer reviewed study.
     
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    18 years later, the people that are not taken seriously (except by the presstitute media) are those who still believe the official conspiracy theory.

    Some of us prefer to know the truth, no matter how unpleasant it may be.

    Just like Bush & Co, you are not able to prove one single element of the crazy story you hold sacred. The joke is on you sir.
     
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    I've looked at the evidence of the supposed holy grail which proves the official story false, and it's full of voids.


    I am also highly educated in the subject.
     
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    And since you're "highly educated on the subject" I suppose you can not only prove NIST's analysis and hypotheses from their "investigation" are accurate but that there are no voids in that and the 9/11 Commission Report. You should also be able to prove that every single eyewitness and whistleblower account and all the expert analysis that contradicts or questions the official story are wrong. And for additional bonus points, be able to explain how the contents of the reams of classified/redacted 9/11 information supports the official story and that these are not "voids".

    In addition to the above, Hulsey's study proves NIST's hypothesis on the collapse of WTC7 is impossible. So you should also be able to prove that Hulsey's 4 year study is not valid. Have you used the data he provided to confirm or reject his hypothesis and done the modeling (preferably using the same platforms) and forwarded these to him for peer review? If you did, please post the link to your extensive research here. Thanks.
     
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    And you are doing exactly what I was originally talking about. You only want to focus on the original report, claiming it is false, but never want to present your own conclusions.

    Give it an shot, and I'll do exactly what you are doing to the original report.

    You are the one claiming the report is false. Give me an reason why and we can debate it.
     
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    Their bullshit meter goes off due to too many incoherences and coincidences. They know the official story is BS but dont know the details of what really happened due to no access to data.

    This ability to detect BS helped man to survive. Those who were too gullible didnt survive. Unless in the tribe who had the bs detector.
     
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    This is the game you play, where you attempt to dictate the conversation.

    No thanks. If you have an issue with the official report, bring it up and let's discuss it. Otherwise, you can play your little debate game with somebody else.
     
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    Thanks for showing you don't have a clue as I suspected. The thousands of reasons why the official story is a LIE and a coverup (just a couple of my many "conclusions", the one you claim I haven't presented) has been posted all over this section of the forum. I've started numerous threads on the subject, all sourced via hundreds of links. They all include my personal opinion(s) on many 9/11 topics. Post #13 in this thread points to just a few of the threads I created. OTOH you haven't posted anything other than hot air thus far.

    Note, I don't debate, I discuss. Debating is a contest of sorts with a winner and a loser. I'm not here to play games. I'm here to discuss mostly 9/11 issues and expect posters to source their claims when appropriate as I do. I expect legitimate sources, preferably authored by legitimate experts. That leaves anonymous "debunking" sites out.
     
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    Where did you become highly educated on the subject? At NIST?
     
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    Uh huh.

    Every one of your posts, including all of those leading to other posts in #13 revolve around issues you take with the official report. None of them are you providing your take on what happened.

    It's easy to yell 'disproven'! at everything, it's a whole other ballgame to actually provide your perspective on what actually happened and let your own conclusions be critiqued.

    Ahh, so not only do you get to guide the "discussion" in the format you desire, but you also get to be the end-all-be-all related to "appropriate sources".

    You have essentially rigged the entire conversation so that your points show the official story is disproven and only your sources are valid.

    Are you sure you are here for a discussion, or are you here just to tell everybody else they are wrong if they don't align with your views?
     
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    I am a licensed architect in several states, holding degrees and certifications in building design and forensic structural failure, mostly utilized for Insurance claims and court actions serving as an expert witness.
     
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    Why on earth do I need to invent a theory as to what really happened on 9/11 in order to figure out the official story is a massive lie? The overwhelming evidence proves it’s a lie. And because there’s so much evidence and extreme over-classification it indicates beyond any doubt that the official story serves as a coverup. No one needs to invent any theory for your personal entertainment pleasure to be able to figure out the official story is a massive lie and coverup.

    And because we know the official story is a lie based on phony investigations (at least those of us who have done the research and are awake) we want a legitimate forensic/scientific/criminal investigation to try to uncover the truth about what happened on 9/11 and not invent some fanciful theories for your entertainment pleasure. That’s a completely worthless exercise.

    That’s completely false. No one is preventing you from proving the official story is true and/or that all the evidence that proves or at least questions the official story is false. But you haven’t done any of that. Instead you’ve criticized posters who don’t buy the official story and posted a series of unsupported claims. No one is preventing you from posting your own sources.

    I don't make the rules. There are forum rules that are set by the owners of the forum. Like I said, my personal objective is to have an intelligent adult discussion, not a debate. If you want a debate, you're free to have one with anyone you want, however I would decline to participate, that's my prerogative.

    So then back to my question that you failed to answer (why is that?):

    The above should be right up your alley if what you claim is true. And I understand you're not an engineer but as an alleged expert witness in forensic structural failure, the above should be well within your range. Hot air is unacceptable.
     
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    You are obviously talking about the criminal organization NIST, thats good then you knew from the beginning wtc7 was a demolition.
    Cool lets take a looksie at your website
     
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