On the large high def image above...(two images up)....Why is there a wall of outside steel beams standing in this image? And look at the cut angle (60 degrees or so) of the beams. How is it possible they were sheered off like this?...Why are they like this? Shouldn't they have collapsed as well if the building came straight down? I think I'm looking at 10 stories here....Can someone explain how and or why this happened?
I'll buy that, ......but look at the many other pics taken day 1 that show a similar story.......outside walls snapped off floor by floor. There are many on the internet, you just have to google: images of 911 aftermath, and look at them....same story.....I think its odd.
Snapped at the welds perhaps? Also, they weren't snapped floor by floor. The column sections came in 36' lengths (3 floors) I believe. I have never seen a 12' core column section snapped clean at both ends to validate a floor by floor claim. The ends of the columns don't show signs of thermite or explosives charges being used either.
That's not a 9/11 fact, it's a theory for which you have produced no evidence. - - - Updated - - - Same issue, the above are not 9/11 facts, they are strictly unsupported theory.
Like everything about 9/11, oddities and convenient miraculous coincidences (according to the OCT) by the thousands.
If fire did this, why aren't there beams showing fatigue.....bent, warped.....if in fact, the buildings collapsed as stated in the commission report, how do these outside beams project horizontally, then blocks away and impale themselves into other buildings, unbent perfectly straight, without signs of damage?...would not gravity just allow them to fall downward? Building 7 was the furthest building in the complex from the towers, yet it collapses from a single floor fire which the fire chief stated was not in danger of collapse....a controllable fire.....I still think the proof is in the images of the beams....I spent my life manufacturing A36 and higher grade steel beams, I programmed plasma machines (Hypertherm HPR800) requiring 50amps of power at 480volts DC and creating near 50,000 degrees fahrenheit....all of which couldn't be present in these buildings unless by some other accelerant. Look at what it takes to pulverize concrete in mid air....yes, mid air and tell me office furniture or jet fuel which burns in minutes produced such power and heat.....Can't be done.
After viewing my file of over 100 images day of 911, I disagree with your statement.....There were no torch cuts......torches produce 25,000 degrees of heat and do not leave a clean cut....impossible.....Try again.
25,000 degrees? Are you sure? The site linked below shows oxygen/acetylene flames close to 5,400°F. http://www.harrisproductsgroup.com/en/Expert-Advice/Articles/turn-up-the-brazing-heat.aspx Do you have other information showing otherwise?
What type of beams impaled themselves into other buildings? Core columns or perimeter columns? You don't think something falling from 1000 feet up could not collide with something else and fall in a parabolic trajectory to impale another building? Single floor? You have never seen photos of WTC7 with more than one floor having caught fire? That's why the fire departments created a safety zone around the perimeter of WTC7? Because it was not in danger of collapsing? That's why they didn't continue to fight the fire in WTC7? Because it was not in danger of collapsing? Controllable maybe, but unfought because they were fearful it might collapse. How about the reported bulge in the side of WTC7? They had a transit on it. Does that sound like they thought it was safe? And I posted images of angle cut beams that were indicative of torch cuts (unclean cuts). I also posted a link that shows bent columns/beams. Not sure what you meant by this. What does 50,000 degrees have to do with oxy-acetylene torches used to cut the steel structure apart? Mid air? Are you talking about the clouds of white debris that emanate from the towers during collapse? Do you have any idea how much gypsum planking was used in the towers especially around the core and elevator shafts?
None of the above questions trump the facts about 9/11, which is what this thread is about. It's all been addressed Gam and you've read the responses. For example, thermite cutters could have made those cuts. http://techportal.eere.energy.gov/technology.do/techID=764 It's just one possibility no one has conclusively verified (or disproved) to my knowledge. No forensic investigation, no clue. You have legitimate questions, I'm not saying otherwise and there are legitimate possible answers, many you obviously don't like (based your history). But the reality is no one knows how those cuts were made, not you, not me. I'll assume you'll not be responding to this post either, you haven't to several of my posts. But that's ok with me, just stating my opinion either way.
I already wrote: http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=481955&p=1066837163#post1066837163 The necessary data was not collected. Wonder why? But since so many skyscrapers have been built since 9/11 it should not be difficult for "experts" to compute how the steel had to be designed to hold up the WTC. psik
I don't wonder why, it's for the same reason that evidence was deliberately destroyed. To obstruct any possible legitimate investigation in order to protect the real criminals.
you obviously know nothing about cutting torches ... propane is not used to cut steel and plasma cutters are not portable ...
I did a bit of research and noted that an oxyacetylene cut into a steel beam looks a lot cleaner than a thermite cutter cut into a steel beam. It doesn't prove anything either way and is not a 9/11 fact but you're right, those are not clean cuts. Hmmmm.
You don't suppose a forensic chemical analysis of the cut areas might provide a signature of the possible device(s) that made (or didn't make) that cut, do you?
Who said they had to be portable torches? ......besides, who climes 15+ stories carrying a torch, any kind of torch, to make those cuts shown in the photo....the cranes weren't there day 1....so how do you explain the multiple angular cuts shown in so many pics?
Show me a single beam twisted or severely bent because of heat in this pic......They look pretty damn straight to me and there's a pile of them.....surely one would show signs of heat fatigue.....
