98% Of Fully Vaccinated Test Positive For Covid

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  1. gfm7175

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    The spike is not the virus, and it is causing the body to generate the spikes, not injecting spikes into the body.
     
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    "** Mandating vaccines to retain employment is discrimination."

    nope, no mandate to get the vaccine, just guidelines to the corps to have their employees get tested or get the vaccine to be excluded from testing

    that said, I do not support mandates, I am pro-choice, and I welcome those on the right that are now taking that view with me
     
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    never claimed it was, but without the spike, the virus is harmless and the virus will be handled by the body without issue
     
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    You do not have to dig further, just look at the worldmeter website.
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/#graph-cases-daily
    There is not reduction in the death rate after almost universal inoculation.
     
  5. independentthinker

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    People have the right to make their own medical decisions. The vaccines DO kill people and they do have serious adverse reactions in some and we don't know the long term effects of the vaccine. In fact, facts show that one third of all FDA approved drugs are later found to have serious problems on down the road. Therefore, people should have the choice as to whether they want to risk the vaccines or the virus.

    And, you are wrong. "The left" are discriminating against the unvaccinated because they believe the unvaccinated are spreading the virus, even though the vaccinated are spreading the virus just as much. Most of the left refuse to believe the vaccinated are spreading the virus. It is un-American to force people to get vaccinated when the vaccine has killed some and had many serious adverse reactions in many others.

    Now "the left" may have a point if the unvaccinated spread the virus and the vaccinated did not. That would be a game changer. And that is what most of the left believe while they scream follow the science and listen to the experts while they clearly do not because the vaccinated DO spread the virus. I congratulate you for knowing the truth on that.
     
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    If we were worried about our healthcare system burden we would be following my advice for Covid infection and severe disease prevention.

    Not only would Covid hospitalizations, sequelae, and deaths drop dramatically, but influenza, diabetes, heart disease and hypertension hospitalizations would fall dramatically as well. The positive effects on individual and societal health would be several fold the positive effects of Covid vaccination. Combine my strategy with vaccination and you have even better results from vaccines.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?posts/1073045677/

    At some point we need to begin questioning why we have not and will not use all mitigations at our disposal. I find it fascinating much of society is fine with mandating one mitigation but is unconcerned other mitigations just as effective are not even publicized. It’s pretty clear at this point public health is not the number one priority of most public health organizations. Sobering.
     
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    Since the vaccinated spread the virus just as much as the unvaccinated do, then there is no need for vaccine mandates, vaccine passports, or firing people from their jobs for being unvaccinated, since the vaccinated spread the virus just as much.
     
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    they can, but most do not, depends on how strong the immune system is of the person

    for those say in nursing homes, you're probably right as many have weakened immune systems
     
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    Because Those In Nursing Home Are Fed SLOP.
    In the name of heart health they are fed more pasta and
    less beef (rich in Vitamin D & B12, Iron, essential amino acids).


    Remember the older folks loose gut absorption surface area
    as villi become shorter with age. And they are fed diets
    lacking in the increased quantities they should be fed
    of vital nutrients, Vitamin D & B12, and iron too.
    Nutrients known to be difficult to absorb.
    Why? Heart health! BTW Vit. D is implicated with immunity.
    And Heart Health Diets are CHEAPER too! :woot:
    Rx
    More Beef & Lamb/Goat
    More Whole Dairy + Butter too. Not veggie oil.


    Make sense?


    Moi, MD, ret.
    :oldman:





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    Jeebus god in the ICU, some people STILL don't get it.

    It's not about spreading the virus. It's about NOT DYING from it, and using all our limited hospital space in the process. Being vaccinated WILL keep you from doing that.

    Conservatives, it seems, are all about dying from an internal crucifixion so as to show how much they love FFRREEEDDOOMM. If they just went off and did that on their own nobody would really care, but every time I suggest the unvaccinated should be denied hospital space so they rest of can have some ICU time too they get ALL upset.
     
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    I agree with that, nursing homes have to go by the government dietary recommendations (high carb\low fat)

    and of course the heavily processed seed oil that the government say is heart healthy, which of course it's not
     
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    I am pleased that you are using the term 'public health'. That is the most important terminology when looking at this pandemic. We need to be looking at the whole, and what is best for the whole.
     
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    Willya PLEASE just stop with this BS. NONE of the measures you suggest are even SLIGHTLY as effective as the vaccine has proven to be in stopping COVID. If healthy living was even half as effective as you seem to think the profession of Medicine would not exist. The fact remains that even healthy people do get sick. Living well can keep us living longer, yes, and will make us more able to fight off disease that does get started in us, EVERYTHING ELSE BEING EQUAL but everything else seldom is and there is no way you can make that happen

    You obviously don't know this but most diseases at one point or another in their etiology will spread faster and do more damage in a HEALTHY body than a weak one. The horrifying "cytokine storm" frex, which was at one time thought to actually kill most COVID fatalities, is where a healthy immune system goes crazy, and kills the body it is trying to protect. Diseases frequently use a body's strength against it.
     
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    Even, PRIVATE Nursing Homes.



    BTW I live alone in a 4 bedroom home.
    And helpers, care takers, etc. have a bedroom.
    Weekly heavy house cleaning and gardener too.
    My "Trust" says no intubation, etc.
    I Will Die In My Home
    And not be over dosed on Heart Healthy carbs.
    Plus the microbes aren't so very antibiotic resistant.



    Moi, MD, ret. :oldman:

    One of my fav professors at UCSF was one of
    the longest living insulin users in the world.
    I got a good education regarding carbs, way back





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    You should actually read my posts. I’ve presented multiple lifestyle choices that are more effective at preventing infection than vaccines are 5 months post vaccination. This is just a fact. If you would like to post studies showing proper weight, adequate sleep, healthy diet, etc. don’t affect chance of infection or chance of severe illness to the degree shown by the peer reviewed studies I’ve presented show, please do so. But I have ZERO interest in your unsubstantiated opinions or your fallacy of calling peer reviewed science BS.
    I’m sorry you have been misled. Cytokine storm events in Covid cases are from dysfunctional immune systems, not healthy ones. One example being in the obese. Adipose tissue is responsible for dysregulation of lepin and low grade inflammation. Obesity actually “ages” the immune system, making the immune system of a young person more equivalent (less effective) of an aged person. Of course this is not new to Covid. We know poor outcomes from influenza and other infections are worse in the unhealthy/obese/sedentary because the immune system in these individuals is not healthy. I starting warning of this back in the spring of 2020 and you still don’t think being healthy is an effective way to prevent infection and severe disease—even though peer reviewed science has confirmed what I said in 2020.

    Are you aware most deaths and hospitalizations are in individuals with obesity, heart disease, diabetes, and hypertension? If this is the case, how can you claim disease is more severe in healthy bodies? I swear, the science denial around this joint is reaching epic proportions.
     
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    What peer reviewed studies did you present?
     
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    That would be preferable. Do you have any thoughts on why we haven’t done so?
     
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    Read my post in this thread you responded to. It contains a link to numerous studies with pull quotes from the studies. Enjoy.
     
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    The vaccinated spread the virus. The CDC even admits that. Therefore, the mandates, passports, and firings are totally unnecessary because both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated spread the virus.
     
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    It's about unnecessary vaccine mandates, etc. There is no reason to have vaccine mandates, vaccine passports to enter places, and it's not necessary to fire people for not getting vaccinated because both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated spread the virus. In fact, since there are far more vaccinated than unvaccinated, the vaccinated are actually spreading the virus more than the unvaccinated. Think about it. We have a football stadium that holds 80,000 people. Only the vaccinated are allowed in, no unvaccinated. We've got 80,000 vaccinated people possibly spreading the virus while the unvaccinated are watching the game from their living room. Who is spreading Covid more? Hint: The 80,000 vaccinated. I just heard the other day that there will be tens of thousands of people at Times Square in NYC for New Year's Eve. The unvaccinated will not be allowed in. So, who will be spreading the virus more, the tens of thousands of vaccinated people or the unvaccinated watching it at home on TV? Do you need another hint?
     
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    You obviously didn't read a single word of what I posted. Stop wasting our time and bandwidth
     
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    I believe that many of the efforts have been geared toward 'public health'. I realize you are looking at things as a much bigger picture, but I think any effort made to emphasize the importance of the health of the many over the individual is on the right track. When a virus becomes so seriously contagious, we can't just think of ourselves.
     
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    which pack our hospitals?
     
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    90% efficacy in PREVENTING SERIOUS ILLNESS/DEATH. Not 90% efficacy in preventing infection.

    I'm sure you already know this, but whatever.
     
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    You can't see the forest for the trees.

    The vaccine is to KEEP YOU OUT OF HOSPITAL, and it does just that.
     

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