9th Circuit Court of Appeals Successfully Petitioned to Re-hear Prop. 8 Ruling

At work. I'll refute this for the third and final time when I get home.

 

Then we should address the facts as it relates to the topic of this thread which, based upon the thread title, is exclusively limited to the appeal petition on Prop 8.

It has nothing to do with pedophilia. It has nothing to do with polygamy or incestuous marriage. It has nothing to do with beastiality. In fact, it has nothing to do with sexual behavior or procreation or raising children.

It is expressly limited to a situation unique to California where same-gender couples were legally entitled to marry and then that right was revoked under Prop 8. That is all the Prop 8 ruling addresses.

So if others will "stick to the facts" which are the facts related to the Prop 8 decision and to the appeal petition then it would be appreciated by all. The continued attempt by some pro-Prop 8 supporters to derail the discussion is really annoying to anyone serious about discussing the topic.

 

You have this strange fascinantion with declaring "fail"!

At any rate, there are plenty of people proposing and making laws based on what they think God says, solely because they think God said it.

A law should stand on it's own merit without the need for the legislator to invoke God as being in favor of it.

 

What gave you the idea that your assessment of my credibility could possibly be of concern to me?

 

Nothing of any substane just more ad homs. FAIL

 

Nice second attempt at a strawman Goldwater. Now, what were we talking about...oh, right.. how you said that polygamists marraiges wouldn't be kosher because it would "dilute the affection" of the people involved if it were more than two.

And yet parents often have more than two children. Should we take those others away from them because their affection for the many children is by necessity, diluted? How is love "diluted" anyway? Since love is a very highly subjective topic, my $.02 counts equally as yours. I was always taught that love multiplied the more you gave it away, not diluted..

 

I have alot of trouble NOT responding to any reply.

But thanks for helping me cultivate that ability.

 

Not true. The ruling's repercussions are paramount to the discussion and this ruling allows sexual preference to now be considered a civil right. That cannot be more on topic.


I would love to see anyone actually address the fact these judges claimed their opinion of what is "legitimate" for a law to be passed by the people is somehow constitutional.

 

Especially since those same judges teased these very narrow and particular sexual behaviors, among the whole gamut of sexual fetishes, out of the realm of behavior and into the realm of "race". That's where they overstepped.

You made the point about dilution Goldwater, now address my points. If you don't , I win the point. That your dilution-argument fails to deny polygamists the legitimate right alongside gays to marry.

 

Nobody is talking about sexual preference, they're talking about sexual orientation.

It's not a choice Tex.

 

i don’t have any strong objections to polygamy or group marriage of any kind among adults or even to relatives shacking up provided no one in the family forced them to or groomed them to and no adult is with a child but i can understand how it would be hard to tell if that’s the case or not so preventing legalization of incest might make sense

i think pedophilia has it down reasons for being illegal i dot want children taken advantage of by their elders and they might be to younger to decide what’s in the best long term interests

But the idea that gay marriage will inevitably lead to something else you feel is wrong becoming legal is nothing but paranoid fear

These things you mention will only become legal if the arguments against them are all as weak and full of (*)(*)(*)(*) as arguments against homosexuality and gay marriage

 

um a gerbil cant agree to marriage homosexual humans can as well as hetero sexual ones can with some one of the same gender as well as anyone could consent to marriage between 2 genders

The rule is not equal homosexuals can’t marry the people the adult consenting people their attracted to and who they would choose while hetero sexuals can

Saying that’s equal and fair because hetero sexuals can’t marry the people they don’t want to just like the homosexuals can’t marry the people they want to makes no dam sense

it’s the ban on interracial marriage all over again with the same (*)(*)(*)(*) as justification it’s fair for blacks and white to be denied marriage together because blacks can marry blacks and whites can marry whites
And all the people that don’t want to marry out of race are treated exactly the same as those that do

Ignoring fundamental differences in people’s cases and imposing rules that give freedom and favor to one group over another for no reason and claiming that fair is bull(*)(*)(*)(*)

And in case someone slow on the uptake should wander into this thread

And thinks to them self,

But wait if you should not treat people differently by ignoring their nature then shouldn’t you let child marriage and pedophilia be legal?

And well the answer to that is NO and I’m not ignoring the nature of those people who would want to marry a kid or have sex with one when im applying the same rules to them and others

Im taking the nature of pedophilia and child marriage into account which is unfair by its nature and risky to the children so while it may be unfair to the pour souls with those kinds of desires I can’t let them impose something unfair and harmful onto children by their own choice

Unlike homosexuality pedophilia is by nature unfair and dangerous that’s why it must be opposed




yes please use some sense and reasoning

 

1.
to take in marriage:

2.
to perform the marriage ceremonies for


3.
to give in marriage; arrange the marriage of


4.
to unite intimately:

5.
to take as an intimate life partner by a formal exchange of promises in the manner of a traditional marriage ceremony.

6.
to combine, connect, or join so as to make more efficient, attractive, or profitable:

verb (used without object)
9.
to wed.



mar·riage
   [mar-ij] Show IPA

noun
1.

a.
the social institution under which a man and woman establish their decision to live as husband and wife by legal commitments, religious ceremonies, etc. Antonyms: separation.

b.
a similar institution involving partners of the same gender: gay marriage. Antonyms: separation.

2.
the state, condition, or relationship of being married; wedlock: a happy marriage. Synonyms: matrimony. Antonyms: single life, bachelorhood, spinsterhood, singleness; separation.

3.
the legal or religious ceremony that formalizes the decision of two people to live as a married couple, including the accompanying social festivities: to officiate at a marriage. Synonyms: nuptials, marriage ceremony, wedding. Antonyms: divorce, annulment.

4.
a relationship in which two people have pledged themselves to each other in the manner of a husband and wife, without legal sanction: trial marriage.

5.
any close or intimate association or union: the marriage of words and music in a hit song. Synonyms: blend, merger, unity, oneness; alliance, confederation. Antonyms: separation, division, disunion, schism.



um no it doesn’t

 

I'm getting closer and closer to seeing the sense in eliminating marriage as a legal agreement. Just have everyone get civil unions with the same benefits, and make marriage a church thing. Get rid of the Justices of Peace.

 

Unjust societal rules should be done away with like the ban in interracial marriage slavery denying women the vote or restricting freedom of religion

its not much of a union with an inanimate object and it’s not fair with a human to an animal that want consent as an equal to the human it is a fair union with homosexuals

how damming and inconvenient for those who oppose gay marriage

 

Well if by legitimate you men something you should not be repressed by or attacked for then that makes sense being homosexual is legit in that case

giving pole the freedom and treatment that you yourself enjoy will not lead to sanctioning child abuse or any abuse

You may have that big picture in your head but happily it’s mostly just in your head

i though schools had bin desegregated?

And the polygamy will only follow if you can’t muster any reasons to prevent it in which case it should not be prevented

 

I must have missed this one from you Subby.

Here are some other things you may agree with.

A woman's place is in the home.

If man were meant to fly, he'd have been given wings.

The tender breasts of ladies were not formed for political convulsions...Thomas Jefferson

 

Yay resorting to slurs u is so smart care to comment on the Niger’s next or the japs or those Muslim devils

Calling them names makes them worse and you sound better at least in your mind right?

These are not people who just want equality and respect their silly little fairy’s they should not (*)(*)(*)(*) one another but god knows we can have fun (*)(*)(*)(*)ing them over

 

At this rate....uptight old bigoted white men are gonna run out of demographics that it's okay to denegrate. But I bet they're still grateful for gays and Muslims!.....So many queens and terrorists...so little time!

 

keep in mind to this one people means nay one who is sexily attracted to someone under 18

in which case I’m a pedophile lots of 16 year old girls look sexy to me

 

According to the APA, in order to be a pedophile...you must be attracted to the pre pubescent.

If you act on your attraction to 16 year olds, that is statutory rape, technically NOT pedophelia

 

Hmm group marriage might work for bisexuals still or with one hetero sexual of either gender

 

Group marriages would work if all people were married to all other group members, instead of one man, being married to three women.

But now...the law says you can't be married to more than one person at a time, or it's bigamy

 

What is your problem with group marriage? all you do is post why its ok and oddly that we should fear it becoming legal if we allow gay marriage