A Different Question for Theists

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  1. Vicariously I

    Vicariously I Well-Known Member

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    As a theist if you were put in the terrible situation of dying before your spouse and you had time to talk to them before the end would you want them to eventually move on with their life and remarry?

    Or would you want them to never have another relationship and stay loyal to you after you are gone?
     
  2. Incorporeal

    Incorporeal Well-Known Member

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    Circumstances being what they are, I cannot give an answer to that question. My wife died before I did. She did not voice an opinion either way in regard to that matter.

    Now interestingly, I must say, that you do seem to be really hung up on hypothetical scenarios.
     
  3. smevins

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    I would want them to make that decision for themselves and expect them to be judged in accordance with that and all other decisions they made in life.
     
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    Either answer is acceptable in Christianity. Personally, I've been married to a great woman. I will never remarry should she pass. Nobody could compare to her, and it would be unfair. I would want her to choose for herself should I pass. I would tell her that I would be happy if she had another husband after me.
     
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    Yeah thats the answer. Let them make the choice
     
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    NightSwimmer New Member

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    So, I'm curious.

    How is this question in any way related to theism?
     
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    crank Well-Known Member

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    you would be okay with them being 'judged'? seriously?
     
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    Well, the Old Testament tells the widow to marry a brother of the deceased.
    Paul, in the New Testament, says "therefore to the unmarried and widows, it is good for them if they abide even as I."

    But Timothy says, "But the younger widows refuse: for when they have begun to wax wanton against Christ, they will marry."
     
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    Yes,...
    Timothy seems to see them as dangerously feministic.


    1Ti 5:12 Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith.

    13 And withal they learn to be idle, wandering about from house to house; and not only idle, but tattlers also and busybodies, speaking things which they ought not.

    14 I will therefore that the younger women marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully.

    15 For some are already turned aside after Satan.
     
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    I bring tidings of joy. God will not be interested if your spouse remarries and neither will your soul.
     
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    everybody faces judgment. Some are capable of better dealing with it than others.
     
  12. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    John 5:22
    For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: (I am the truth, and the way and the life.)
     
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    So then, you didn't really mean "Theist". You specifically meant Christian?
     
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    If you die, thats it.

    It doesn't matter if your spouse remarries, becomes a hooker, or wins the lottery.
     
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    Why is that a question for theists in particular rather than for anybody who's married or in a steady relationship?

    Anyway, I love my husband and thus I want him to be happy. So I should hope he'd find another great partner after my death. He's not cut out for living on his own without regular cuddles and somebody to make him eat vitamins rather than just junk.

    On the Christian side of theism, there's not the slightest problem with that.

    "18 Then the Sadducees, who say there is no resurrection, came to him with a question. 19 “Teacher,” they said, “Moses wrote for us that if a man’s brother dies and leaves a wife but no children, the man must marry the widow and raise up offspring for his brother. 20 Now there were seven brothers. The first one married and died without leaving any children. 21 The second one married the widow, but he also died, leaving no child. It was the same with the third. 22 In fact, none of the seven left any children. Last of all, the woman died too. 23 At the resurrection[c] whose wife will she be, since the seven were married to her?”

    24 Jesus replied, “Are you not in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God? 25 When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven."
    (Mark 12:18-25)
     
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    Vicariously I Well-Known Member

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    Because when a theists dies (if they are good) they go to heaven. One of the arguments I recently heard for why I might want to believe in God is that if my wife died I'd obviously love to think I would see her again. But what happens when the surviving spouse moves on and finds someone else and then they eventually die?

    Do all three of them spend eternity together?

    As an atheist I would want my wife to move on an live her life whatever that meant. I'm curious if having a belief in an afterlife changes how one views these situations.
     
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    I think that there is still some confusion here regarding the definitions of the words "Theist" and "Christian".

    All Theists don't necessarily subscribe to Christian beliefs.
     
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    Willys New Member Past Donor

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    I'd tell the ol gal something like this...

    Well darlin', it's been a long walk and a great journey but our eighteen holes are over. Whether you give up the game or get a new partner is entirely up to you, I won't be here to judge.

    AMF
     
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    Willys New Member Past Donor

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    Do all three of them spend eternity together?

    Think of it like divorce court... depends on which one has the better memories.
     
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    I must admit that I find speculation of what a "Heaven" might be like to have the potential to lead to some interesting discussions.

    What would people look like in Heaven?

    Would everyone be the same age, or would you retain your age at death?

    Many interesting questions to ponder, if one suspends disbelief in an afterlife and opens themselves to speculation. ;)
     
  21. Vicariously I

    Vicariously I Well-Known Member

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    I wasn't making this about Christianity but it probably would have made more sense to simply say those who believe in an afterlife. Then again I think most religious people on these forums are Christian so that is how the conversations tend to lean.
     
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    Vicariously I Well-Known Member

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    Well I'm glad someone isn't taking this super seriously because it was never meant to be taken as such. But the more I've thought about this particular situation there are some interesting questions.

    One of them that perhaps is more serious is the question of how belief in an afterlife might affect this one.
     
  23. Vicariously I

    Vicariously I Well-Known Member

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    Well I was asked a question the other day and it just got some wheels turning. The reason I posted it to theists was simply to see how the idea of an afterlife might work into the equation.

    As for the scripture and the question I was asked the person spoke in terms of a soul mate and the idea that they were bonded together forever which to them meant they would never love another person. Especially since after the other died they would spend eternity together.

    Its not that serious of a question, more of a curiosity.
     
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    [TABLE="class: bibleTable"]
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    [/TD]
    [TD] [​IMG] Mat 19:5
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    [TD]And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?[/TD]
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    [/TD]
    [TD] [​IMG] Mat 19:6
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    [TD]Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.[/TD]
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    [/TD]
    [TD] [​IMG] Mat 19:7
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    [TD]They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?[/TD]
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    [/TD]
    [TD] [​IMG] Mat 19:8
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    [TD]He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.[/TD]
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    [/TD]
    [TD] [​IMG] Mat 19:9
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    [TD]And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.[/TD]
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    Perhaps this might help in understanding::
     
  25. Willys

    Willys New Member Past Donor

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    Some souls may be referred to as old but I would take it that there is no actual age in Heaven, just being. To wit, should a person die/pass at an age of 37, spend some time 'de-carnating', then take an opportunity to rein-carnate, would that soul reincarnate as age 37... or as a new incarnation?
     

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