A gay man harassed because he ate with Ted Cruz

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  1. Crawdadr

    Crawdadr Well-Known Member

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    I want revenge. I want revenge for every black that was disrespected for centuries. I want revenge for every Irish immigrant that was disrespected. I want revenge for nothing. I want no revenge for anyone. You seem to want inequality. We are about equality. We are about human rights. You want feminists and Al Sharpton to not be equal. I know that we are about revenge. We are about equality of everyone. You are about equality for who you think deserves it.

    Who deserves it, Wazzu?
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    if Ted wants to eat dinner with a gay man, he is free to do so and visa vera, neither has coodies
     
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    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Compromise has become a four letter word these day in Washington D.C. and partisan politics. It is all about "My way or the highway," mentality.
     
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    How can one judge another as "awful" without being intolerant?
     
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    You're being wilfully dishonest there. It isn't about them "sitting down to dinner", it's about them hosting a formal (albeit small) political event in support of his election campaign. Anyone who gets involved in a politician's campaign like that should be open to reasonable questions and challenges of the views and policies they're implicitly supporting. There are extremists who will take their responses too far, and they should be condemned, but that's hardly exclusive to this set of circumstances.
     
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    CausalityBreakdown Banned at Members Request

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    Easy: I hate Cruz because of who he is, not based on his social status.
     
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    Well many conservatives judge gays to be abominations and perverts just because they are gay. Does that make conservatives "tolerant" when they say such things?

    And while I don't know Ted Cruz to say he is awful, he HAS done and said awful things, especially about gay people.
     
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    The award for most incoherent post of the month goes to...
     
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    An example of these "awful things" he's said about gay people?
     
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    Is hate not associated with intolerance? Are you against the intolerance of conservatives yet blind to your own or the intolerance of other liberals? I do not like Cruz's politics, but I do not begrudge him for standing upon his principles. And the gays who criticized the hotelier are welcome to their opinion, but IMO a baker turning away gay customers is intolerance just as a conservative being turned away from a hotel would be intolerance... which seems to be what some of the Cruz haters wanted.

    If we fight for equality we need to remember that it is not equal if it is one sided. When we practice bias we give our opponents aminunition to use against us. When we practice bias our screams for equality ring hollow.
     
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    Indeed, but what does this have to do with what I said? If we demand equality while practicing intolerance ourselves I argue this harms our cause. A conservative should be free to dine at a hotel just as a gay person should be free to order a wedding cake from a bakery. Equality is not one sided.
     
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    CausalityBreakdown Banned at Members Request

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    See, I wouldn't outright loathe Cruz if he was just another guy that wanted to cut spending and taxes while remaining hesitant on social change, but there's more of a personal level to this. Cruz loudly and angrily hates LGBT people and our rights, while championing an insane quasifascist brand of evangelical Christianity:

    Cruz isn't just a politician to me. I see him as a threat to my legal equality and a sort of human summary of all of the people that ever discriminated against me or hurt me.

    I've also observed that ethnic minorities hating white supremacists is seen as completely reasonable and okay, yet when I hate people that work just as hard to try to hurt people like me in the same ways, I'm readily cast as the bad guy. I don't think that there's any reason to pretend that homophobes are any better than racists, or that their ideas are any more worth serious consideration.

    I think I have a right to be angry.
     

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