A.I, is it a good or a bad thing?

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Is it a good or a bad thing?

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  1. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Would he create his own AI if he did?
     
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    What?
    He has, and it's faulty. Look at the crashes of the 'driverless' cars. Safe and effective, sounds like something else that pitched the same slogan, hey?
     
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    What does he care? He sells cars. He just announced 3 new models.
     
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    Stock price, his integrity as a businessman. Aren't you the astute one?
     
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    There has been so few crashes that they did not factor in the stock price changes. Other things did, like his preoccupation with other businesses like Twitter. Tesla was dependent on him, since he likes to micromanage everything (even slept at Tesla plant) and suddenly he disappeared to run Twitter.
     
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    Was the course of this interaction.

    It has everything to do with what I stated. If a company's product becomes a death trap and is more common than not, what do you think will happen to the company? Stock price goes down. So he would want to care. With several videos and dozens of Tesla cars in each coming to an abrupt halt is a lot more than "a few crashes".
     
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    Its a moot point, because they have not become death traps. As a matter of fact, the Tesla's have an excellent safety record.

    See above

     
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    It is a tool. Advanced, but still a tool. You might as well ask if cars were a good thing or a bad thing.
     
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    It's not a question of "if" but "how" it will be implemented, barring some kind of major worldwide catastrophe. If technology in general continues to progress, it's an inevitable step because it will provide advantages in power. If America limits or outlaws it, the Chinese won't, and they will advance further ahead of us, e.g., and dictate the next world order.

    Ultimately some form of hybridization with technology is probably inevitable, because it will make people vastly superior to what they are now in abilities. I don't think it would ever be like terminator in terms of how it could go bad, but Battlestar Galactica could be close. Those that do hybridize with AI, become at odds with those who won't, and because they are superior, they or their successors will eventually win. Sort of like with guns and cannons in the past. But a being that has the advantages of both the flexibility of the human mind and the speed of an AI mind can do far more. That said, it doesn't have to be a catastrophe, and likely a superior being would also be able to see the morality of things like avoiding nuclear war, unlike Battlestar Galactica. I think implementation/development must proceed in a controlled manner so that we dictate the terms in which the technology continues to evolve. We want AI to be in the image of our values, not theirs.
     
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    I wanted to add an analogy. If the first blacksmith had thought, "My people aren't morally ready for these bronze spears I can forge," he was almost certainly right in a sense, but if he doesn't, some other group who does forge the spears will conquer or kill them anyway.
     
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    China is just one avenue towards the NWO, the one the globalists like the most.



    It's not a matter of whether we are ready for the new tech, we haven't mastered our own minds and body, yet we are striving toward something new. Something along the lines of wanting to sprint or run a marathon before we know how to even walk.
     
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    Except for the ones that have been presented. So it doesn't have an excellent safety record. You didn't watch any of the videos, did you?
     
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    What kind of a future will your children or grandchildren have if AI/robotics take over many jobs in society, with the added bonus of digital currencies CBDC's, homelessness will be more challenging. How does a homeless person beg for CBDC's? Good luck with that. With other possibilities that won't fare well for most. Better future-proof yourself and young'ns.
     
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    It does have a very good safety record. Any car can have an accident, or break down. If you didn't know that, then maybe you never owned a car.
     
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    It's still apparent you haven't watched the videos pertaining to Tesla vehicles. They're just as safe as a human-controlled car. They fk up just similarly, as I suppose you only look for the shiny glossy stories of the Tesla vehicles and not the problems they have.
     
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    What are the most common Tesla problems?
    Arguably one of the most popular electric cars out there, not to mention one of the most luxurious, Tesla has skyrocketed from niche to commonplace in recent years. However, that doesn’t mean that Teslas are problem-free.
    Across the manufacturer’s four different models, the most common Tesla problems are:
    • Issues with autopilot capabilities and cruise control adjustment
    • Failed power steering system
    • Occasional loss of power
    • Unable to be towed
    • Poor build quality
    • Prematurely worn-out battery
    To make it easy, check out the most common Tesla problems by the model in the chart below:
    Model
    Starting price
    J.D. Power reliability rating
    Most common problems
    Years to avoid


    Model S
    $101,440
    N/A
    Door handles conducting heat, faulty transmission

    2019, 2020
    Model X
    $116,440
    N/A
    Autopilot failure, poor windshield visibility, faulty steering system, unexpected acceleration

    2017, 2019
    Model 3
    $48,440
    N/A
    Shuts down while driving, loss of power, lock system malfunctions, faulty touchscreen

    2017, 2018, 2019
    Model Y
    $64,440
    N/A
    Unexpected stopping, poor wheel alignment, sudden loss of tire pressure, faulty seat belt retention system

    2020, 2021
    Roadster
    $200,000
    N/A
    Battery failures, faulty tire pressure monitor system, excessive road noise
    only one year is available

    https://getjerry.com/car-repair/common-problems-with-tesla#what-are-the-most-common-tesla-problems

    Yep, safety and quality 1st!
     
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    Technology doesn't wait for morality to catch up, is the problem. Pragmatically, the best course of action is to embrace it with thoughtful action.
     
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    I am very old school. Things need severe testing before it's implementation.(I'm talking the really advanced stuff). Running before you can even stand, you'll stumble and fall.

     
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    You COULD read about car safety ratings, but you won't, because you run with something you saw on Youtube. Don't buy a Tesla. Problem solved. I'm not driving one either. Besides, no one claimed they are safer than human driven cars. Tesla is NOT a self driving car.
     
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    You are digging yourself into a deeper hole. You don't practice what you preach, hey? It is you that needs to do the homework. You need to catch up quickly.

    Tesla Full Self Driving and Feature Complete - 2023 update
    OOPS! Yes they are.



     
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    They can call it whatever they want for marketing purposes, but its not self driving, aka it needs a fully attenuative driver with hands on the wheel at all times.

    From the horses mouth:
    "Autopilot, Enhanced Autopilot and Full Self-Driving Capability are intended for use with a fully attentive driver, who has their hands on the wheel and is prepared to take over at any moment. While these features are designed to become more capable over time, the currently enabled features do not make the vehicle autonomous."
    https://www.tesla.com/en_eu/support/autopilot#:~:text=Do I still need to,it make a car autonomous.
     
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    You forgot the rest of it.

    Full Self-Driving Capability
    In addition to the functionality and features of Autopilot and Enhanced Autopilot, Full Self-Driving Capability also includes:

    • Traffic and Stop Sign Control (Beta): Identifies stop signs and traffic lights and automatically slows your car to a stop on approach, with your active supervision
    • Upcoming:
      • Autosteer on city streets
    The currently enabled Autopilot, Enhanced Autopilot and Full Self-Driving features require active driver supervision and do not make the vehicle autonomous. Full autonomy will be dependent on achieving reliability far in excess of human drivers as demonstrated by billions of miles of experience, as well as regulatory approval, which may take longer in some jurisdictions. As Tesla’s Autopilot, Enhanced Autopilot and Full Self-Driving capabilities evolve, your car will be continuously upgraded through over-the-air software updates.

    Using Autopilot, Enhanced Autopilot and Full Self-Driving Capability
    Before using Autopilot, please read your Owner's Manual for instructions and more safety information. While using Autopilot, it is your responsibility to stay alert, keep your hands on the steering wheel at all times and maintain control of your car. Many of our Autopilot features, like Autosteer, Navigate on Autopilot and Summon, are disabled by default. To enable them, you must go to the Autopilot Controls menu within the Settings tab and turn them on.

    Before enabling Autopilot, the driver first needs to agree to “keep your hands on the steering wheel at all times” and to always “maintain control and responsibility for your vehicle.” Subsequently, every time the driver engages Autopilot, they are shown a visual reminder to “keep your hands on the wheel."

    Traffic-Aware Cruise Control
    To engage Traffic-Aware Cruise Control in Model S and Model X, pull down once on the cruise control stalk on the left of the steering column. In Model 3 and Model Y, pull down once on the gear selector stalk on the right of the steering column.

    https://www.tesla.com/support/autopilot

    Now if you had watched any of the videos of the "auto-pilot" having a bad day, it proves the system is less than perfect. They state the driver still needs to be in control. Doesn't say much for AI.
     
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    Whatever makes you happy, but to call it 'self driving' is a marketing gimmick. Its too bad if you don't see that

    "intended for use with a fully attentive driver, who has their hands on the wheel and is prepared to take over at any moment." - Tesla, about the "self driving" feature.

    Heck, even your own quote REPEATEDLY says the same. LOL.

    Sure, if the owner things as you do, that they do not need to follow the instructions, then there is a good chance they'll get themselves into an accident, and it will be the drives fault. Tesla assumes people understand that "self driving" doesn't actually mean self driving.
     
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    WTF?
    Interesting. So black is white and white is black then? Does this also fit into the category of a transgender (or supporter) not being able to define what a woman is? Self-drive is self-drive. So what does it mean then? Automated assisted driving perhaps?
     
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