A Major turning point in the Trump Saga

I was listening to some comments about Heather Heyer and thinking about her desire to make a difference.

I couldn't help but think that through her death, a nation is waking up to the evil that exists among us. They can no longer hide in plain sight. Heather Heyer may have saved a country.

 

I fully support their right to say what they will. I doubt they will find much support though, lol.

 

No.

I can't stand those white supremacist people. They are utterly ignorant and disgusting.

But I love our Constitution more than I hate them. If we cherish our freedoms, we must support the rights of the worst among us to peaceably demonstrate. We must not oppose their rights with violence.

If we can deny their rights, we can deny anybody's rights.

 

Addendum: A divided democracy is an unacceptable oxymoron. . . . Does separatism UNDER ANY PRETENSE actually result in superiority, or is this just a mindless, narcissistic fantasy???

UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL.

 

Your abundance of "lol"s in your posts implies that you don't consider this a serious matter. . . . Others with ANY degree of empathy do.

 

It's fairly obvious that these folks have been duped by a political stunt into believing that the President should submit to the current mob rule mindset.

 

I support their right to spew what they will and also those that say that is spew.

 

How serious are the cries of defamation against a President that denounces violence from any group while supporting the right to assembly and speech? What I find serious is the danger that those people pose.

 

The President pledged to defend us from ALL enemies, foreign and domestic. . . . It's ironic that others need to do HIS job.

 

Why not? If you honestly think this sort of nonsense is going to alter the opinions of the people who elected Trump, you will never be able to beat him. Trump is not president because he's eloquent and some PC suck-up, he's president to do certain things, which he has been doing. You folks just don't get it and probably never will. Nobody is going to care about this in a few weeks, you place too much value on a fleeting emotional moments. Have you folks already forgotten the other hundred 'this is Trump's downfall' threads? You folks are kinda funny in the most pathetic of ways...

 

His supporters thought that Trump alone could accomplish so much. Silly them. Of course, to be fair, Trump also spent his campaign promising them everything, himself evidently not understanding the limitations on the power of the president.

Why do so many Americans fail to understand civics and think that the president is so powerful?

 

I think you are having trouble being objective. The people who were voicing their free speech and exercising their right to peacably assemble have a President, tool. That President has to protect them as well. That's the hard part, neo-nazi American citizens have the same rights as everyone else. The people who many feel were morally justified to attack the white supremacist were actually domestic enemies of US citizens and the President has an obligation to oppose them.

 

His statement yesterday probably did more towards actual erosion of division than anything in the previous administration. I commend his bravery as I'm sure he understood the forth coming backlash.

 

Well, at least the dialogue is changing now, I'll give you (and him) that. With this turbulence should come change, hopefully ultimately for the better and without *too much* turbulence in the process. As they say, sometimes things need to get worse before they get better, and in this case I think the diametrically opposed racist groups need to have it out and come to terms.

 

I understand the proper limits of the President. I also understand this iteration of Congress to be the WORST body of Congress in its history. The 2018 midterms cannot come soon enough. Vote out all incumbents, ideally with third party members. Send a message.

 

That would be, what, the 39ish time you could not Help but feel, it seems controlling emotion my be the real struggle!

 

Vote in smart, competent people and I'm absolutely with you. Just no more Donald Trumps.

 

While I appreciate your perspective, from my POV since Trump calls out Islamic terrorism by name at a drop of a hat, he should do that with other groups too, like white nationalists. By not immediately doing so he left himself open to more criticism than he would have otherwise received. Now if Trump had a history of not calling out controversial groups by name, then I would not take issue with Trump, but that is not the case.

 

Why? Just a few posts ago you said these two were not on par with each other.

 

Yeah I heard what they said.

And I saw how menacing the counter protestors who surrounded the Jefferson statue were.

They were outnumbered by about 100 to one, too.

And this rally was no legal. There was no permit for these people to stage a torchlight parade on the University Campus.

And these neo Nazis and white supremacists besmirched the legacy of Thomas Jefferson.

 

IMO, there's a difference politically with radical jihad, and white supremacy. One is within our borders, the other is external. The threat from the white supremacists, all things considered are mute. We have then tamed in terms of sheer numbers and our political belief system. Radical Jihad on the other hand doesn't need numbers, opposes everyone and wants us dead.

By promoting the white supremacy cause, we rise them up. By ignoring them, we literally destroy their cause.

 

Yes, I think it is too.

I have commented on this forum many times that Donald Trump is not fit by virtue of temperment, discipline, moral compass, intellect or integrity to hold any office of public trust.

He made that point thoroughly in the last few days, and especially yesterday.

He has never understood that one key aspects of leadership is to provide a summing up, bring your constituents together (or at least make an attempt) and point a way forward.

Instead, Trump pandered to his base with more of the usual dog whistles, and when challenged, refuse to take any responsibility, referring to himself always in the first person singular.

The problem with thinking of yourself and projecting yourself in the first person singular, is that is where you are going to end up.

And that is where Trump has ended up.

I fully expect Trump's poll numbers to sink to the same level that George W Bush's were at the end, or where the Tea Party managed to after a couple of years (around 24-25%).

Meanwhile, the GOP leadership will have to face the hard reality that they will have to take on the responsibility of dealing with its own lunatic fringe, or they will never run the country.

 

How about a Libertarian/Green Party coalition? While I don't see myself as too far to the Left, I do think that such a coalition in Congress could actually work to get things done. Both parties would understand it to be their one chance to get an edge in government and would be really active, which is a good thing.

 

Why do they need to be on par to take issue with both?

 

Why would anybody (besides leftists and minorities) take issue with White Nationalism?