A Nationalized Kansas?

LOL...oh the irony.

I don't care what the topic is. YOU calling anyone hyper-partisan is rich.

 

Agreed. Reaganonics can be effective but in conjunction with other economic environmental conditions like a solid existing demand for goods and services. Trickle down economics can make the green grass grow best on soil that has a bit of fertiliser.

 

When you jump off a cliff once with a red state model of tax breaks for the wealthy and a billion dollar deficit hanging over your head because of it, they might as well do it twice, right?

 

Oh, right, anything disagreeing with Republican ideology is a "hack", even though they're using the same metrics that have served well for decades. Just like Clinton's surplus was not a real one when measured by "new age" Republican accounting practices.

What we have here is an example of how data will be presented and manipulated in the Trump "post truth" era, when all the aspects of reality will be fed to us through the filters of the new conservativism and we will all live happily in unending prosperity, or find ourselves enemies of the state and packed off to wonder how we came to be Muslim or Hispanic when we had thought we were just unemployed.

 

So you think trump is your run of the mill establishment GOPher? Hillary supporter? Must be.

For those old men like me, who remember what a genuine FDR progressive looks like, trump has progressive blood running through his veins. A holdover from when he was a democrat, the FDR democrats pre Clinton. Now granted, he has some GOP blood too, but it is closer to the Ike kind of GOPher blood than the neoliberal conservative blood.

So you are comparing apples to oranges here if you think trump is of the same ilk as the other GOPher you are talking about. Which means that the GOP will not give trump what he ran on, except perhaps in regards to regulations and taxes.

Hillary supporters still don't understand why she got beat by a reality star. Neither does the democratic party apparently. Or they do, but their MNC and banking cabal elites have them by the nose, a big ring through it, and are still leading them around. The legacy of the Clintons. What Hillary supporters ignored was that their candidate was owned, and they supported a person who only serves the elites. They rejected the candidate of the people, sanders, and the other candidate of the people cleaned her plough. I wish they were understand this and demand major reform in the democratic party. Yet looks like the same old (*)(*)(*)(*) is still going on with Schumer being the minority leader. How many elections must they lose before the light bulb comes on? With the democratic voters as well?

 

Oh, come on! A cliff in Kansas couldn't be much higher than a Trump® Wall!

Seriously, I appreciate TP Sam demonstrating the consequences of his airy-fairy dogma with his legislature as willing enablers.

Such invaluable empirical data allows pragmatists to avoid a Brownback pratfall.

It's sad for the Kansan guinea pigs, but they did volunteer for it.

 

Yes, and sorry, I forgot to take into account the rare geographical anomalies that exist in that state beyond flat surfaces. My bad! Maybe we can settle for falling on their faces for a second time instead?

And the Trump wall; now that's even funnier. You think maybe we should remind those Trump supporters that someone forgot to tell them that most illegals come over here on planes? Lol! Maybe we shouldn't and keep the joke to ourselves while they build this wall that will accomplish nothing?

 

They would only want to build a very, very, very high wall.

 

Sam "The Hole" Brownback has demonstrated, by his Laffer of an "experiment" in dogmatic ideology that reality is impervious to airy-fairy theories.

Let's hope that other states and the nation learn the lesson. Crackpot ideologues never learn.

 

The Red State Model stinker continues to serve as an embarrassment to dogmatic ideologues, but the lesson it teaches to the teachable is an important one.

 

If the ideological zealots have their way, Trump could Brownback all over America.

 

TP Sammy's radical "Red State Model" has proved to be such a stinker, that even Koch Industries supports dumping the disastrous "experiment."

Only ideological kamikazes still cling to this putrid sucker.

 

Maybe we should follow Illinois' lead with high taxes and hatred of the private sector. Oh wait ... people and businesses are leaving in Illinois in droves.

Never mind.

 

Heh heh...You beat me to it, Natty...

 

Concisely stated.

As disastrous as Sammy's "Red State Model" experiment has been for Kansas, it has been a valuable demonstration for those capable of learning from the debacle.

Of course, hardcore ideological true-believers are unable to confront the reality, first trying "Just wait!", then pretending there was no proclaimed "Red State" model for the nation, and finally attempting to divert attention elsewhere.

Kansas is the model of the consequences of obstinate dogma trampling common-sense pragmatism.

 

Economics is a science, as well as an art.

Unfortunately liberals are driven by ideology, and Trump won as an independent nationalistic pragmatist. I expect great things, the change we were promised by Obama will actually be delivered by Trump.

 

Brownback's "Red State Model" experiment has inflicted serious damage on Kansas, creating a huge defict and lowering the state's bond rating whilst failing to produce jobs as claimed. The TP's darling has twice been honored with the distiction of being the worst governor in the nation by Kansans.

They are now beginning to undo the harm that he has inflicted.

* In 2015, a desperate Sam the Sham, amidst plummeting revenue, soaring deficits, and economic stagnation he had engineered, inflicted the biggest tax increase in history on ordinary Kansans, increasing the sales tax to 6.5%, and increasing the cigarette tax by $0.50 a pack, bringing the total tax to $1.29 per pack, whilst leaving the corporate freeloader class he had created untouched.

 

The ideological zealot that imposed his economic dogma on Kansas is being pressured to do the pragmatic thing and begin to reverse the damage he has done.

The Kansas electorate and their elected representatives have had more than enough of his failed radical theory and are demanding a return to common sense governance.

 

To me, economics is as much an art as a science when it comes to monetary and fiscal policy. I have neo-classical economic leanings. But I differ somewhat that I think in efforts to attaining maximum utility, people don't always make rational decisions.

Trump is actually very centrist in economics. The investments in the military and infrastructure (which democrats would love) have very much Keynesian elements. Then you add the tax cuts, which also has Keynesian elements. Both are what you would call expansionary fiscal policy. With the tax cuts, especially our corporate rate which is highest in any advanced country, would really strengthen our economy in what would be repatriation of money overseas and other markets and increased investment for long term growth and jobs. I believe we must grow ourselves out of the problems we are having economically, that a high tide rises all boats. We invest back in our people, entrepreneurship, small business in the name of free enterprise. Free enterprise should be essential cornerstone of our economy along with competition. You regulate equal access to information, anti-trust, etc.

Monetary policy-wise, that's all Janet Yellen. I happen to think she it politicized and after having record low interest rates for an extended period of time under Obama, will intentionally raise them. This could have an adverse affect on our economy. I wanted it done a long time ago, but in politicization she will use it to try to hamper the Trump economy. I am expecting the dollar to strengthen some in response to all this.

We are 20 trillion in debt, your guy Obama added no growth to speak of and the economy did not respond well to his anti-business policies. We will have our recovery now, finally.

 

It's more theory than science.

You'll be disappointed and you've been duped. Kansas is a perfect example of the effect of right wing economic policies and have been proven a total failure. I know trump apologists think that trump only apply some "win" and the economy will be great. Unfortunately for trump, the US cannot just declare bankruptcy every few years like he does when he fails.

 

I'm a pragmatist that favours empirical results over airy-fairy theories. Brownback applied his ideological dogma and it failed miserably. Thus, his touted Red State Model "experiment" serves as a warning for any who might be beguiled by those who hype that tired, fake nostrum.

Of course, Trump bears close watching, and I would not be surprised if Congress is prepared to provoke yet another hissy tweetyfit by controlling his allowance.

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"I'M THE KING OF DEBT!"​

 

So, if it didn't work for TP Sam, what makes you think Trump copying the red state model is going to be any different?

 

This is a tired old partisan talking point that was exposed years ago, but you can expect partisans to keep pushing partisan talking points, logic be damned!

Some Leftists cling to this Kansas narrative, because looking at any other conservative states - like ND, WY, TX, NE, ID, OK etc., which top for growth - show that the "red state model" actually works - if you want to just look at whether a state is left or right and then pass verdict based on oversimplified gdp growth. W
You see, the states with the top 5 gdp growth are all heavily conservative. In fact, 9 of the top 10 gdp growth states are decidedly conservative (the exception being Colorado, which is a swing state).

Kansas has basically undone it's tax cuts, by raising taxes in other areas (sales tax, tobacco tax, and such). Their tax revenue is still lagging - because their economy is being hit by a maelstrom of bad effects. They're heavy on agriculture - which has recently seen falling global prices. Their manufacturing is struggling, with layoffs - namely in air travel manufacturing. They have some presence in fossil fuel extraction, which has seen prices fall and only slowly start to rebound.

But no, some Leftists will insist on ignoring the top 5 growth states (all conservative), because it doesn't fit their narrative. That's what happens when you place narrative over fact.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_economic_growth_rate

 

What makes you think that Kansas's economic woes are due to red state policies, when nine out of the ten top gdp growth states are red states - where the 10th isn't even a blue state?

 

Never going to happen; http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/trumps-tax-plan-would-explode-debt-591111235741