A new strain… Just in time for the 2022 election to be conducted by mail.

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Joe knows, Nov 26, 2021.

  1. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So.........your theory is the Dems purposely introduced a new virus that could kill thousands and severely harm the economy which would undoubtedly hurt their electoral chances? Brilliant!
     
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    There's a section for conspiracy theories. You missed it.
     
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    It's not my conspiracy sir. That is, I had no part in it.

    But I am able to see that what we've experienced in the last year and a half is the direct result of humans conspiring to achieve nefarious goals. You apparently cannot, but I am very able to perceive that.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    That is true in your conditioned mind. In our brutal reality, humans DO conspire, and have since the beginning of our existence.
     
  5. Monash

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    Medical facilities around the world are full of people who 'perceive' things others don't. Sometimes treatment helps, sometimes it doesn't. Either way it doesn't mean what they perceive is real.
     
  6. Lil Mike

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    You mean like people who perceive that they are a different sex than their actual, biological one?
     
  7. Monash

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    Actually no that's not what I mean and that should have been obvious.

    But to answer your question it would I suppose depend on a a medical assessment of the underlying physiological and psychological reasons for that perception. And of course whether or not that perception is permanent (innate) or transitory (i.e. induced by some other external factor). Since I'm not an expert on the assessment of trans gender sexuality I couldn't begin to offer an opinion on how relevant/common the later is. I am aware that some people who have undergone gender reassignment later rejected their 'new' gender but in the vast majority of cases I doubt that is an issue.
     
  8. Lil Mike

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    Well the issue of course isn't whether they reject or love the surgical difference, merely that their perception doesn't match actual reality. Someone who thinks they are Napoleon isn't actually Napoleon, even if they are well suited to sticking their hand in their shirt and are happy with that outcome. Given your statement, "Medical facilities around the world are full of people who 'perceive' things others don't. Sometimes treatment helps, sometimes it doesn't. Either way it doesn't mean what they perceive is real," I assumed you would agree with that.
     
  9. Monash

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    No the question is whether their initial perceptions are in fact realistic. In that example the proof is in the outcome - usually yes, sometimes (rarely) no . Someone who wants to believe they're Napoleon (or 'Ms Conspiracy" up above)? Unrealistic is unrealistic full stop, no amount waiting for time to pass is going to change that..
     
  10. Lil Mike

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    I'm not sure you have a grasp on what "unrealistic" actually means. The fact that you suddenly are moving to the realistic/unrealistic standard instead of perception/reality, seems to indicate that you do in fact think that perception can trump reality.

    Interesting, but not unexpected.
     
  11. dairyair

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    The election is 11 months away. Your worries are for nothing.
    But interesting how South Africa would be the place dems make a new virus start. You are correct, about your conspiracy theory.
     
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    trump voted by mail the last 3 elections. There's nothing wrong with mail in voting.
     
  13. Monash

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    No, you've got it back to front. I think reality trumps perception. I'm not sure why you brought trans gender issues into the argument but to be clear. Transgender identity is not just a matter of perception, at least in the context of gender realignment surgery. There are clear clinical and psychological guidelines governing how that process is managed. But even in the absence of physical surgery a transgender person can persuade another of their internal identity based on open discussion including the sharing of details about their own self image. Someone who insists on believing they are Napoleon will never persuade anyone they are (unless of course that person is in the same ward being treated for a 'Wellington complex').
     
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    Its called increased propability .. not certainty.
     
  15. Joe knows

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    Why does it not surprise me that you mentioned that? I don’t care how trump votes
     
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    I never said they made it. I’m saying they’ll exploit it
     
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    Yes you do. You are railing against voting by mail. It says so in your OP title.
    So, if you dislike voting by mail, you have to care how trump voted.

    Or the thread is hypocritical.
     
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    So, you're just making up stuff. I see.
     
  19. Lil Mike

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    The bolded areas seem to contradict your claim that you think reality trumps perception.
     
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  20. Monash

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    Not really . You can have a an argument about religion that relies on ones internalized view of the world while referencing external 'evidence' for the opposing views. For that matter astrophysicists do much the same thing when discussing 'models' of physics. The key isn't whether or not is there is external evidence apparently conflicting with your viewpoint its that there is also logically consistent, verifiable evidence supporting it (which would be the case in transgender issues). Meanwhile crazy is just crazy. 'Vive la France!'
     
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  21. Lil Mike

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    That only applies when you are discussing something either in the abstract, or if actual physical evidence isn't possible (like astrophysics). Of course even with astrophysics, the math still has to check out.

    In matters of biology, unless we're discussing xeno-biology, conclusions can be drawn from actual direct evidence i.e reality.
     
  22. Monash

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    There's also a (key) psychological element in transgender identification which, again I'm not qualified to talk to. Likewise with potential physiological issues. I simply have little to no knowledge of what underlying physiological states may be relevant to the discussion. And since I can't expand on either topic without going away and doing a of research? I think I'll just leave it at that because otherwise I suspect we'll just start going 'round and round' on this discussion.
     
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